KDuBayGillis It's officially 9 pm....time for #mglitchat! Hi, everyone! #mglitchat -9:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Topic tonight is comparing/contrasting MG novels to chapter books. #mglitchat -9:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf I'm scheduled for next week, but if you're alone this week then yes, I can co-host. #MGLitChat -9:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf And definitions! #MGLitChat -9:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Chapter book: Bridges picture books and novels. The text will be in short chapters, large font, lots of illustrations. #MGLitChat -9:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Middle grade: Aimed at children aged between eight and twelve (2nd thru 6th grades). #MGLitChat -9:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf From http://t.co/wyLy9IqoeL #MGLitChat -9:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS And I think it's a distinction that kidlit writers might not be able to always articulate. #mglitchat -9:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly Hi #MGLitChat - I'm new to this chat. :) MG writer interested in writing a chapter book series. Looking forward to chatting! -9:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf So, this will be your first co-hosting gig! Everyone, say hi to our newest chat team member! #mglitchat -9:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ShellSly Welcome! #MGLitChat -9:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
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ShellSly @AniProf Thanks! I appreciate the info you provided so far. #MGLitChat -9:04 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ixtumea (silent type, eh?) #MGLitChat -9:04 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf Those are helpful definitions of MG and chapter books. Let's talk about some of our observations of the differences. #mglitchat -9:04 PM May 2nd, 2013
mytweendom Chapterbook-what we called kid's fic when I was a kid.Middle grade: age specific subset of what we used to call chapter books! #mglitchat -9:04 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @ShellSly That's great! Welcome to the chat! #mglitchat -9:04 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ShellSly You're welcome. The prof in me LOVES to start with defs and such; grounds the discussion. #MGLitChat -9:05 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis Thank you! :) #MgLitChat -9:05 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy I'm here for #mglitchat, but my tweetdeck is slow and uncooperative. -9:05 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf And remember, definitions are often moving targets. #MGLitChat -9:05 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @JoanneLevy Well, just kick your tweetdeck in the butt. #MGLitChat -9:06 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Besides large font, shorter structure, and illustrations, how do MG novels and chapter books differ? #mglitchat -9:06 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @AniProf It kicks back! #mglitchat -9:06 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Q: Are the age groups for the two distinct OR do they overlap? #MGLitChat -9:07 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @JoanneLevy Nasty! #MGLitChat -9:07 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly #MGLitChat Thinking aloud: Do chapter books tend to be a series as opposed to stand alone? Whereas MG goes either way. -9:07 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis I think the age groups overlap. Audience probably defined by reader readiness. #mglitchat -9:08 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Other terms ... Early/easy reader: A book with carefully selected vocabulary for beginning readers. #MGLitChat -9:08 PM May 2nd, 2013
kellypolark @KDuBayGillis An agent suggested I change my chapter bk to mg-said the theme was 4 older. So mc became older & bigger word count. #mglitchat -9:08 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly #MGLitChat Re: Age groups - I've seen an overlap. Used to teach 5th grade reading. 1/2 read MG, 1/2 read chapt., depending on their level. -9:08 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ShellSly The issue of "series", I feel, is more of a marketing thing. #MGLitChat -9:09 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @ShellSly All of the chpt. book examples I can think of tend to be series. #mglitchat -9:09 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf When I think chapter book, I'm thinking Junie B. Jones, Marty McGuire, Ivy & Bean, etc. #mglitchat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @AniProf That's a good point. A series will sell, esp. to kids just learning to read, who want to stay with the same characters. #MGLitChat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Ah, but does this mean that a chapter book MUST be part of a series? #MGLitChat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy p.s. Welcome to @aniprof! Okay, carry on, I'll catch up. #mglitchat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis Same here, having trouble coming up with ones that are stand alone. #MgLitChat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @kellypolark So, the theme of the book can sway a book into MG or chpt book territory. Interesting. What was your "theme"? #mglitchat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS What are some examples of chapter books? I was thinking Biscuit, but are those early readers? #MGLitChat -9:10 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Consider, how much MC development can you get in a CB versus a MG? #MGLitChat -9:11 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf I'm no expert. I'll guess no, but can't think of a stand alone chpt book example. Anyone? #mglitchat -9:11 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @JoanneLevy Tanks! #MGLitChat -9:11 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS Are the Rainbow Fairy books "chapter books"? Or are those MG? #MGLitChat -9:11 PM May 2nd, 2013
kellypolark @KDuBayGillis It's a rock 'n' roll themed book.Though I've seen rock themed pbs, but there was peer pressure involved too. #mglitchat -9:12 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @ilanawaters Haha. :) Thanks for letting me in #MGLitChat, however reluctantly. ;) ;) -9:12 PM May 2nd, 2013
kellypolark @KDuBayGillis I'm so thankful the agent suggested that. She was absolutely right, too. #mglitchat -9:12 PM May 2nd, 2013
AndreaL_Mack To me, chapter books seem more situation based, with sometimes simpler and more well-defined problems. #mglitchat -9:12 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS Examples...@kurtisscaletta's Topps League baseball mysteries, Junie B. Jones, Marty McGuire #mglitchat -9:13 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @ShellSly Oh good, we can tease her! That lets us bypass the secret handshake. *salutes* #mglitchat -9:13 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @AndreaL_Mack Agreed! More conclusive endings. Fewer loose ends. #MGLitChat -9:13 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChristinaFarley RT @AndreaL_Mack: To me, chapter books seem more situation based, with sometimes simpler and more well-defined problems. #mglitchat -9:13 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @ShellSly And seriously, no reluctance. I was just being a goofball. #mostofusare #mglitchat -9:13 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS I've read about three Rainbow Fairy. I'm going to go with chpt. book. Same as Magic Treehouse. Anyone disagree? #mglitchat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf My MC point is that a CB often needs to be part of a series to allow the MC room to grow. #MGLitChat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
AndreaL_Mack @Bec_AS I think Rainbow Fairy would be chapter. #mglitchat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @AniProf *takes aim like Katniss* We CANNOT let the Capitol win! #mglitchat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf As usual. RT @ilanawaters: @ShellSly And seriously, no reluctance. I was just being a goofball. #mostofusare #MGLitChat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @ilanawaters Oh, I know. I was just playing along. :) Thanks for breaking the ice! #MgLitChat -9:14 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Magic Treehouse sort of straddles the line between CB and MG. #MGLitChat -9:15 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis How do the stakes vary or compare in MG to chpt books? Smaller, less important? Same significance as MG novels? #mglitchat -9:15 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS So what pushes a book from the chapter book to a MG novel? Word count? Bigger words? Older MCs? Deeper issues? All of the above? #MGLitChat -9:15 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Depends? #MGLitChat -9:15 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf And I said we wouldn't lable tonight....sigh... :) #mglitchat -9:15 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @JoanneLevy @AniProf Dang. That is one feisty tweetdeck! #mglitchat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly Agree w/ @AniProf about Magic Treehouse. Has reading level of CB, but a little more advanced plot arc that resembles MG. #MGLitChat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Bec_AS Or maybe what the market will bear. #MGLitChat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette To me 'Chapter book' is for kids only. 'MG' is often written with enough complexity for adults, too. #MGlitchat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS But we have to, to know what we are talking about! RT @KDuBayGillis: @AniProf And I said we wouldnt lable tonight....sigh... :) #MGLitChat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
kellypolark @Bec_AS I'd say you covered it! :) #mglitchat -9:16 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis I'm hoping @kurtisscaletta is able to join us tonight. He writes both and did a great blog on the topic: http://t.co/y3rYdHVHqc #mglitchat -9:17 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf I feel what we start with are general defs, but then realize that there is considerable overlap with secific books. #MGLitChat -9:17 PM May 2nd, 2013
kellypolark @KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS Agree they are both chapter books. Short chapters, illustrated, young mc's. #mglitchat -9:17 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS Now if we could just DEFINE it, right? :) RT @kellypolark: @Bec_AS Id say you covered it! :) #MGLitChat -9:17 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @MegMarentette But I do love reading Junie B. out loud with my kiddos. #mglitchat -9:17 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @JoanneLevy Wait, is this @aniprof's first time in #mglitchat? I see him so often in #kidlitchat, I didn't even realize! -9:18 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Captain Underpants? #MGLitChat -9:18 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee Hi all! I hope I'm not late! What's the topic? Trying to scroll through and figure it out. #mglitchat -9:18 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @MegMarentette I can relate. In most cases, I read CB and thought they were great for kids. I read MG and love it for myself. #MGLitChat -9:18 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ilanawaters Ilana, I started with MGLitChat before I got into KidLitChat. #MGLitChat -9:19 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis @MegMarentette While reminding them that's not really how we talk to each other. #sassygirl #MGLitChat -9:19 PM May 2nd, 2013
MelanieACrowder Woot! #mglitchat -9:19 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KrisYankee Chapter Books versus Middle Grade Books. #MGLitChat -9:19 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @KrisYankee MG and chapter books...similiarities and differences. #mglitchat -9:19 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis According to @kurtisscaletta's blog post on the topic, he says CB have lighter stakes and less focus on MC changing. #mglitchat -9:20 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Agreed! #MGLitChat -9:20 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS What is the age range of a chapter book MC? #MGLitChat -9:21 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee Thanks @AniProf & @KDuBayGillis #mglitchat -9:21 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS I usually see 9-12 yo MCs in MG, with 12 seeming to be the most popular. #MGLitChat -9:21 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Bec_AS Barnes & Noble lists the age range as 6-8. #MGLitChat -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters I must cut out extremely early tonite, but another warm welcome to new member, @ShellSly! #mglitchat *waves* See youse guys next week. -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @ShellSly I admit I've not read a chapter book in years :) so my thoughts on this topic are likely askew! #MGlitchat -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse #mglitchat Good evening, all! Very interested in this topic. Do issues impact how a MG book is classified, such as death, etc? #mglitchat -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
AndreaL_Mack @KDuBayGillis So, no life-threatening situations in CBs? #mglitchat -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS Is that the reader or the MC in the book? RT @AniProf: @Bec_AS Barnes & Noble lists the age range as 6-8. #MGLitChat -9:22 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @ilanawaters Aww you're too sweet! Thank you! Have a good night. :) #MGLitChat -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Here is another good blog post on parameters of CBs. http://t.co/FrMzGttR7h #mglitchat -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
ilanawaters @ShellSly You too! You'll love #mglitchat. It's an informative, fun group. Except for @AniProf. Watch out for him. ;-) -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @Bec_AS Kids like to read up in MG, so making the books about 12 y.o. is popular. #mglitchat -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS The blog I just posted says CB readers are 7-9, so overlaps with lower MG. #mglitchat -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Bec_AS Readers are 6-8 for CB. #MGLitChat -9:23 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ilanawaters Slowly he turns ... #MGLitChat -9:24 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Of course there's an overlap. I mean, no YA reader would touch MG, or vice versa, right? #MGLitChat -9:24 PM May 2nd, 2013
AndreaL_Mack What about the role of parents and adults? Is it different for CBs vs MG? #mglitchat -9:24 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @ilanawaters @AniProf Haha, okay. Noted. ;) #MGLitChat -9:24 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AndreaL_Mack From what I'm reading, you can have dramatic events, but nothing nightmarish. #mglitchat -9:25 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS So is there a "typical" age of the main character in chapter books or that only a MG thing with lots of 12yo MCs? #MGLitChat -9:25 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee No illustrations in mg. Reader can create in head. CBs need them due to lower age group or wanting to capture reluctant readers #mglitchat -9:25 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry #mglitchat Some vintage chapter books: My Father's Dragon, Frog and Toad, Little Bear, Bread & Jam for Frances, -9:25 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bananapeelin RT @KDuBayGillis: Besides large font, shorter structure, and illustrations, how do MG novels and chapter books differ? #mglitchat -9:25 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf IF the age group is younger for CB (duh) THEN the stories need to be simpler and kinder, true? #MGLitChat -9:26 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @KrisYankee Some MG novels do have spot illustrations. IVAN, for example. #mglitchat -9:26 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @AndreaL_Mack Quite a few CBs also have minimal parent involvement. #mglitchat -9:26 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KrisYankee I disagree! Some MG include illustrations. Chasing Vermeer? #MGLitChat -9:26 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS Harry Potter, too. RT @KDuBayGillis: @KrisYankee Some MG novels do have spot illustrations. IVAN, for example. #MGLitChat -9:26 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee MG can tackle more real-life situations than CBs. Can show MC having more control over situation than adults #mglitchat -9:27 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Do we have anyone else here that writes both MG and CBs? #mglitchat -9:27 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Bec_AS Harry Potter starts out as MG and ends up as YA. #MGLitChat -9:27 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee @Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis I didn't mean all MG, but most aren't heavily illustrated #mglitchat -9:27 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @KrisYankee I think there is actually quite a trend in having illustrations in MG novels these days, not just CBs #mglitchat -9:28 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @AniProf I've only gotten through book 3- do the illustrations stop? #MGLitChat -9:28 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Agreed! RT @MegMarentette I think there is actually quite a trend in having illustrations in MG novels these days, not just CBs #MGLitChat -9:28 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @KrisYankee Probably not as heavily illustrated as CBs, but assuming very book-specific. #mglitchat -9:28 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Q: Are there YA books with illustrations? #MGLitChat -9:29 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @KrisYankee I actually enjoy spot illustrations aded into MG. :) #MGLitChat -9:29 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee Agreed. To highlight certain scenesRT @KDuBayGillis Probably not as heavily illustrated as CBs, but assuming very book-specific. #mglitchat -9:30 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @AniProf Lots of teens/YA audience read MG novels too - Harry Potter being one example. #MGlitchat -9:30 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf If so, probably not G-rated. ;) #mglitchat -9:30 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf OK, folks, it's 9:30. Time to refresh your drinks and grab more munchies. #MGLitChat -9:30 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @AniProf Is this where the sponsorship ad goes? #MGLitChat -9:31 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @KDuBayGillis Kate Messner, Kurtis Scaletta and Laurel Snyder all write both CB and MG #mglitchat -9:32 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Err ... no ... RT @Bec_AS: @AniProf Is this where the sponsorship ad goes? #MGLitChat -9:32 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @kurtisscaletta blog post said readers should be able to dive into CB series at any point. Not possible with MG series, right? #mglitchat -9:33 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat What determines upper MG? I have an idea that is darker and the MC is 14. I would like to add in the first crush, maybe one kiss -9:33 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis True. #MGLitChat -9:34 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @RosanneParry What are Laurel's CBs? I only know her PBs and MG. @laurelsnyder #mglitchat -9:34 PM May 2nd, 2013
stein_valerie .@Bec_AS Rainbow Fairies are chapter. First and 2nd grades read them at my school. #mglitchat -9:34 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Are there MG authors that do both? What do you notice as differences in their MG v. CB "style"? #mglitchat -9:35 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Good site ... http://t.co/ajjH2XKz13 #MGLitChat -9:36 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS RT @KDuBayGillis: Are there MG authors that do both? What do you notice as differences in their MG v. CB "style"? #mglitchat -9:36 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis I've read @katemessner's MGs and one Marty McGuire. She does ensemble characters well in both. #mglitchat -9:36 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder Oh maybe I'm wrong about that. Or maybe she's written one that hasn't pubbed yet. #mglitchat -9:36 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @RosanneParry I want her to! I think I've seen her tweet that she was toying with CBs. #mglitchat -9:38 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis What about Sara Pennypacker? Clementine are CBs, Summer of the Gypsy Moths was MG. #mglitchat -9:38 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS How would you describe the difference to a non-writer to explain you write MG and not chapter books?(when they think they r same) #MGLitChat -9:39 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @KDuBayGillis Shorter and more grammatically straightforward sentences. Familiar but not simple vocabulary. 4-10 page chapters #mglitchat -9:39 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Word counts Early Readers: 200 - 3,500 Chapter Books: 4,000 - 10,000 Hi-Lo: 500 - 50,000 Middle Grade: 25,000 - 45,000 #MGLitChat -9:39 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung Who? Whuzzat? Hey, what's the topic? Oh, MG novels & chapter books, right. Hi. #mglitchat -9:39 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Bec_AS Provide solid examples of both. #MGLitChat -9:39 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @Mike_Jung Greetings! #MGLitChat -9:40 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse @JoanneLevy So MC 12, but heavy issues, still MG, but novel more likely? #mglitchat @bec_as -9:40 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung Hey there! You got it. Have you dabbled with CBs at all? #mglitchat -9:40 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @AniProf That KidLit link is helpful. She has a good point about CBs having trouble competing with big names, though. #MGLitChat -9:40 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Probably RT @KimJGaneWCPosse: @JoanneLevy So MC 12, but heavy issues, still MG, but novel more likely? #mglitchat @bec_as #MGLitChat -9:40 PM May 2nd, 2013
AndreaL_Mack RT @AniProf: Words Early Readers: 200 - 3,500 Chapter Books: 4,000 - 10,000 Hi-Lo: 500 - 50,000 Middle Grade: 25,000 - 45,000 #MGLitChat -9:41 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung Kate DiCamillo does that, right? BINK & GOLLIE, MERCY WATSON for CB, DESPEREAUX, WINN-DIXIE, EDWARD TULANE, etc. for MG. #mglitchat -9:41 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis Hey! I haven't, actually, but I've thought about it. Although I think my mind goes to "graphic novel" first... #mglitchat -9:42 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @Bec_AS I can relate. Fam/friends think I'm writing CBs when I talk about MG. Have to keep clarifying. #MGLitChat -9:42 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @KimJGaneWCPosse Not sure I understand your question, sorry! #mglitchat -9:42 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @AniProf Howdy! #mglitchat -9:42 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung Love, love, love Bink & Gollie. Kate DiCamillo is just amazing at anything she does. #mglitchat -9:42 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis BTW, you'll take care of posting the transcript, yes? #MGLitChat -9:43 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis I'm kinda verbose, though. Problematic when it comes to CBs. #mglitchat -9:43 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @ShellSly I don't think a CB has ever won a Newbery, right? Maybe use that distinction. #mglitchat -9:43 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee @KimJGaneWCPosse My MC is 10 but his issue is more complex so it's mg, not cb. I don't think the MC has to be 12 to be mg #mglitchat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @ShellSly And in a way, that's right cuz they have chapters, unlike easy readers that do not. :/ #MGLitChat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @ShellSly Every reader needs CBs but they need them for the shortest time period. Usually just 1-2 yrs. PB=8-10 yrs. MG=5-8 years #mglitchat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis That's an interesting thought. Thanks! #MGLitChat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf Oh, wait, that's your initiation for the chat team. Kidding. I'll do it. Or @rachelgrinti said she's help out. #mglitchat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis And yes, BINK & GOLLIE is one of my faves too. It's amazing how she makes heavily stylized dialogue flow so well. #mglitchat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Agreed RT @KrisYankee: My MC is 10 but his issue is more complex so its mg, not cb. I dont think the MC has to be 12 to be mg #MGLitChat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @Bec_AS Right, so when they think "books with chapters", they lump them all together. :-\ #MGLitChat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse @AniProf Great! TKS, Bill! #mglitchat @joannelevy @bec_as -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung That's what @kurtisscaletta said about his experience in doing both. Helped him economize words in his MG novels. #mglitchat -9:44 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Thanks! I'm going to TRY and create a transcript myself, for practice. #MGLitChat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @KrisYankee @KimJGaneWCPosse : I dont think the MC has to be 12 to be mg : No, it's just a popular choice. :) #MGLitChat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat is the oldest age 12 for MG? I am working on one with MC that is 14. There is a little crush and one kiss. Does that rule out MG? -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @RosanneParry Interesting! I wouldn't have thought of that. #MGLitChat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis I'm just going to keep invoking @kurtisscaletta's name until I make him magically appear. #mglitchat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @Mike_Jung Sam Fisher, who has an MG coming out called Scare Scape (Schol.), will also have a comic series published separately #mglitchat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @KDuBayGillis @ShellSly My Father's Dragon is a Newbery Honor 1949 (I think) #mglitchat -9:45 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @LalaleighJ Why should it? #MGLitChat -9:46 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChrisYarbrough @AniProf How standard are those? Shooting for 60k-65k for my MG Fantasy. #MGLitChat -9:46 PM May 2nd, 2013
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis @AniProf Yep, I'm logging the chat, I'll handle it. #mglitchat -9:46 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis MT @RosanneParry Every reader needs CBs but for the shortest time period. Usually just 1-2 yrs. PB=8-10 yrs. MG=5-8 years #mglitchat -9:46 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis @kurtisscaletta It's something I'm working on too. Sorta. #mglitchat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti I <3 you! #mglitchat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @LalaleighJ My pub said mg MC MUST be 12 or younger. I've seen 13, but then it's starting to get shelved as YA. #mglitchat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @LalaleighJ I've heard 14 is a tougher sell for MG, not impossible though. (2nd hand info) #MGLitChat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @MegMarentette I'll have to check it out, thanks! #mglitchat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung And it's hilarious. The amusement park one (the second, right?)...adore. #mglitchat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @ChrisYarbrough Standards are always just rough guidelines. #MGLitChat -9:47 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @LalaleighJ 14 is a tricky age, but I think you can still remain on the upper MG side. YA readers might want older MCs. #MGLitChat -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChrisYarbrough @LalaleighJ My MG MC is 14 as well. #MGLitChat -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat I thought I read that MG could have no kisses. Tough Savvy had a few kisses. -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @ChrisYarbrough @AniProf Fairly standard although there are many MGs that go up to 75,000 #mglitchat Mine will be 51,000 -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @RosanneParry Is that more CB than MG? #mglitchat -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @RosanneParry My Father's Dragon is listed on Amazon for 8 and up. #MGLitChat -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @LalaleighJ Crush and a sweet kiss is ok for mg. But 14 is going to be a sticky point. #mglitchat -9:48 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChrisYarbrough @AniProf I've heard fantasy gets more leeway for going over as well. All the world building and such. #MGLitChat -9:49 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat it isn't really YA in voice. Can you pitch it as upper MG? -9:49 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis I find that most CBs I've read are heavy on quirky humor. There are mystery and sci-fi CBs, too? Anything not represented in CBs? #mglitchat -9:49 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @LalaleighJ Just write the darn book and then figure out the target audience! #MGLitChat -9:50 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat so 12 yr olds can have a crush and a kiss? I had at that age, but I try to remember the reader age is 9-12. -9:50 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis I haven't actually read the 2nd one yet! #mglitchat -9:50 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Probably not. Except for violent or sex themes. #MGLitChat -9:50 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung Go! Read! Laugh! #mglitchat -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis Fave books as a kid were mysteries by Patricia Reilly Giff. Straddle the line of CB & MG. But they were mystery. #MGLitChat -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChrisYarbrough RT @AniProf: @LalaleighJ Just write the darn book and then figure out the target audience! #MGLitChat -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf Or romance! (But even Junie B. had a crush....) #mglitchat -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse @Bec_AS Started writing b4 I found #mglitchat MCs are in 6th grade, starting middle school. Maybe why so popular; big changes. @krisyankee -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
dianezahler @LalaleighJ I put a kiss in 2 of my MGs and not in 1. Got complaints for all (a kiss! Ick! No kiss! Why?) #mglitchat -9:51 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @LalaleighJ Yep. Mine is 12 and has a crush and a kiss at the end. #mglitchat -9:52 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung Agreed! RT @AniProf: @LalaleighJ Just write the darn book and then figure out the target audience! #MGLitChat #mglitchat -9:52 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Romance does not always equal sex. #MGLitChat -9:52 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis Other than that... I mostly see quirky humor CBs, too. #MGLitChat -9:52 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @KimJGaneWCPosse Aren't you SO glad you found us??? :) #MGLitChat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @ChrisYarbrough In general. Fantasy needs more word count to 'draw up the plans'! But the editor will still CHOP as much as poss #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @JoanneLevy @Lalaleighj 8TH GRADE SUPERZERO has a very innocent romance that ends with a kiss. It's listed for readers 10-14. #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis What do authors minimize in CBs that we couldn't do without in MG? #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee @KimJGaneWCPosse Mine is 5th grader going to 6th grade. I think very realistic and identifiable for kids #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Humor seems to be a more frequent element to CBs. #MGLitChat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
childbkauthor #mglitchat Funny there's no similar term for nonfiction ie MG nonfiction, which, I think, is a genre I actually write! -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @JoanneLevy @Lalaleighj Also, err, my book has romance - no kissing, just hand-holding - and it's solidly MG. #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf Um....true. But I can't even imagine a kiss in a CB. #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @ShellSly @Bec_AS Poetry is also collected in chapter books. Confusing. #mglitchat -9:53 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @KDuBayGillis Sarcasm? #MGLitChat -9:54 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KrisYankee That's my favorite age to write - 5th going into 6th. I still remember the anxiety of it all! #MGLitChat -9:54 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat I know it isn't YA. But if she can be 12 or 13 then that is fine. Age difference is big between 12 & 14 though. -9:54 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @childbkauthor CB nonfiction isn't an actual term? Can you give title examples that would be that? #mglitchat -9:54 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @AniProf Sometimes I can't see sarcasm at this time of day. : ) #mglitchat -9:55 PM May 2nd, 2013
ChrisYarbrough @MegMarentette Somebody's gotta do it, right? #MGLitChat -9:55 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Ooooh, can there be CBs in verse???? #mglitchat -9:55 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis @AniProf I can imagine a CB that shows a kiss btwn older characters, shown through the eyes of a young character. #mglitchat -9:55 PM May 2nd, 2013
bgaff Who Is/Was series? RT @KDuBayGillis: @childbkauthor CB nonfiction ...title examples that would be that? #mglitchat -9:55 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @Mike_Jung MG romance is present in a lot, but so toned down. But I think kids like to see it because they're thinking about it. #mglitchat -9:56 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee @ShellSly It's a great age..so many new and wonderful adventures for them to explore (readers and writers) #mglitchat -9:56 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Ok, gang, 5 minutes to go. Any final last awe inspiring words? #MGLitChat -9:56 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @LalaleighJ I've read a few MG books recently with MCs age 13 (or "just turned 13"), so I think that's okay. #MGLitChat -9:56 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @KDuBayGillis Nope. My Father's Dragon is CB. 77pages. 7300 words, simple sentence structure, straightforward plot. #mglitchat -9:57 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @JoanneLevy Agreed. They like to read a little of it, but not too much #awkward #MGLitChat -9:57 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis And, before we lose anyone, nxt wk's topic is Fantasy v. Magical Realism. @aniprof makes his official chat host debut!! #mglitchat -9:57 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @JoanneLevy Yeah, and it's ok to show it in an innocent, pre-sexual way. Developmentally appropriate for younger MG readers. #mglitchat -9:57 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf @RosanneParry Actually, it's listed as 97 pages. #MGLitChat -9:57 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @RosanneParry Well there goes my Newbery description! Will have to check it out. Thx! #mglitchat -9:58 PM May 2nd, 2013
Bec_AS @ShellSly Right, because they *started* the book at 12- I think it's an author plot to push the MC age. :) #MGLitChat -9:58 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf So be on time next week, ya hear!? #MGLitChat -9:58 PM May 2nd, 2013
KrisYankee @JoanneLevy Agreed. Remembe son's 5th grade teacher telling class no girl/boyfriends until 7th grade. All thinking about it tho #mglitchat -9:58 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly #MGLitChat Aww, are we almost out of time? :( It's been so fun! Nice meeting you all! :) -9:59 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy @Mike_Jung Precisely. It's more like 'special friends' rather than anything even remotely sexual. #mglitchat -9:59 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Same here RT @ShellSly: #MGLitChat Aww, are we almost out of time? :( Its been so fun! Nice meeting you all! :) #MGLitChat -9:59 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @ShellSly We're here every Thursday at 9 pm. Hope you can join us again. We love new faces...er..avatars! #mglitchat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Annnnnd ... that's a wrap! See ya'll next week! #MGLitChat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse @Bec_AS OMG, YES! Before any major faux pas! #mglitchat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
RosanneParry @AniProf Amazon posts the # they think will garner top sales not actual reading level. Also 8 is in CB range. #mglitchat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
KimJGaneWCPosse RT @Bec_AS: @KimJGaneWCPosse Aren't you SO glad you found us??? :) #MGLitChat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly @KDuBayGillis I'll be there! Thanks for hosting! #MGLitChat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat I remember thinking about my first kiss when I was 10 even tho it was 2 years later. Yeah, I was boy crazy. -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @NicolaJCall @KDuBayGillis @AniProf Probably. You'd want the MC to have an age-authentic reaction, of course. #mglitchat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis Thanks everyone for coming tonight! Fun as always! #mglitchat -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
MegMarentette @AniProf @KDuBayGillis Thanks for a great chat! It's a treat to be part of such a fun discussion on my favourite topic #mglitchat G'night! -10:00 PM May 2nd, 2013
ShellSly #MGLitChat Goodnight all! :) -10:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
NicolaJCall #mglitchat Will try to get here on time next week!! -10:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @JoanneLevy Exactly. It IS the first stirring of real sexuality, but that can be left below the surface. #mglitchat -10:01 PM May 2nd, 2013
AniProf Be well, do good work, and keep in touch! #MGLitChat -10:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
JoanneLevy Thanks everyone. Sorry I didn't have much to add in the CB discussion! See you next week. #mglitchat -10:02 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung I totally remember having crushes in kindergarten/1st grade. On the older boys in my neighborhood...silly kid... #mglitchat -10:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
LalaleighJ #mglitchat Are You There God... Even had bra stuffing. That was our guide to life in 4th grade. -10:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
KDuBayGillis @JoanneLevy I had to quote experts. But I'm totally curious about trying my hand at a CB. Sounds fun/challenging. #mglitchat -10:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis My daughter has crushes in a big way this year (1st grade). It's all very innocent & chaste, but it's a real thing! #mglitchat -10:03 PM May 2nd, 2013
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