elissacruz So, let's get this show on the road. @AnshaKotyk
and I are hosting, though I am mostly just here for my good looks. ;)
#MGlitchat -7:03 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz Yes. LET #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Oct
11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk Yes, let's #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz And good looks they are. :)
#MGlitchat -7:04 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk RT @AnshaKotyk: So tonight we discuss the
difference between YA and upper MG. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @AnshaKotyk What you can see from the 3mm pic. ;)
#MGlitchat -7:04 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @elissacruz *smacks @KDuBayGillis soundly on the
noggin'* #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss hahaa, Hi Elissa & Ansha - who're BOTH look
pretty good to me ;) #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS Can we start with regular MG vs upper Mg for a
baseline? #MGLitChat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
michaelascotto @maliseherrera usually some prompts but
things broaden over the hour #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters *seconds that* RT @AnshaKotyk: @elissacruz And
good looks they are. :) #MGlitchat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone This. RT @Bec_AS: Can we start with regular MG
vs upper Mg for a baseline? #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera #mglitchat - I'm a middle school principal who
has moved up from elementary and looking to learn much more about MG vs. YA! -7:06
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Yes! RT @Bec_AS: Can we start with regular MG
vs upper Mg for a baseline? #mglitchat -7:06 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk arg just deleted my #mglitchat thread... sigh
tweetdeck -7:06 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @Bec_AS I like your idea (with your permission,
@AnshaKotyk--I'm here just to smile and make you look good, remember).
#MGlitchat -7:06 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone Is tweetchat slow or is everyone asleep?
#mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elliefalcone slow. and my brain is too.
#mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Ahhh nearly forgot about the chat! #mglitchat
-7:07 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss good to have you with us @maliseherrera
#mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @elliefalcone My tweetchat is slow-ish, so it's
not just you. #MGlitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk So let's start with definitions. loosely.
#MGlitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase I'm having an identity crisis so this subject is
time-ly #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
loritayseastep If everyone's like me, they're listening to
the debate AND tweeting... #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @elliefalcone Hi Everyone! I think it's slow.
#mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry I did a post at Middle Grade Mafioso about
deciding between YA & MG for my latest novel. http://t.co/0ulLMAdi. Take a
look! #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz So, what is the difference between MG and upper
MG? #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @maliseherrera Awesome! We welcome you to
#mglitchat! And now, for some reason, I want to sing the "Lollipop
Guild" song... -7:09 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @AnshaKotyk I judged YA last year for Cybils and
was suprised at the number of books that I considered MG included. I use age
#mglitchat -7:09 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I think upper MG has slightly older
characters but the themes remain the same. #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 Mostly lurking here tonight... #mglitchat -7:09 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz Some days I swear it's only a matter of MC's age.
But that can't be the real reason we have MG and upper MG, could it? #MGlitchat
-7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Although subject matters, if a protag is a
certain age it sort of automatically falls into one category over the other for
me. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I admit, I still get confused on this one.
#mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss so now we've decided we're all here, even if
#mglitchat and our brains are slow, I vote @RosanneParry tells us wot she
knows! #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
christinesarmel Hurray! First time in forever I've made
#mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera @paulachase - age of the main characters?
#mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @christinesarmel Welcome! #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct
11th, 2012
hatbooks Generally speaking, MG is for readers age 8-12, YA
is for readers age 13-18. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis I think approach to the subject matter as one
of the differences between MG and upper MG and YA. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct
11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PaulaChase Then what do you do about Harry
Potter, for example? Starts out 10, ends up 17. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th,
2012
RosanneParry @elissacruz Age of protagonist and complexity
of plot. IMO. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @elissacruz Nope. My sweet YA the protag was 14
and I was told many times it really should have been upper MG #mglitchat -7:10
PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 I'm a teacher of advanced readers in upper
elementary. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk YES> RT @KDuBayGillis: I think approach to the
subject matter as one of the differences between MG and upper MG and YA.
#mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Yay! me too :) RT @christinesarmel: Hurray!
First time in forever Ive made #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
michaelascotto @AnshaKotyk I'd agree that protag's age is a
factor. Also more freedom in terms of figurative language #mglitchat -7:11 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS :( I don't want it to be strictly age. {pouts} There
*has* to be more! #MGLitChat -7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Taking copious notes tonight, folks. Send me
your wisdom! #mglitchat #amrevising -7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
loritayseastep Age + subject matter. Both count. #mglitchat
-7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Bec_AS I feel like it's more than age. The style
of writing, like @michaelascotto mentions. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 I think YA also includes more "touchy"
subjects - more mature themes like awareness of sexuality #mglitchat -7:11 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @hatbooks Generally that is. But sometimes there are
those books which are really hard to determine. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 11th,
2012
rachelnseigel @Bec_AS I think it's more themes than age. Not
all Ya has older characters, and not all MG has young ones. #MGLitChat -7:12 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @AnshaKotyk I third that as well. #mglitchat
-7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @Bec_AS I agree with you. It's much more than age.
#mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone I like to think I writer upper so my word
choice is different. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @KDuBayGillis I think so too! Whether it is more
edgy or handled with care #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @elissacruz I agree with you. #mglitchat -7:12 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @elliefalcone Definitely! #mglitchat -7:12 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @mselke01 Yes. I would classify upper MG as not
touching on young adult themes like sex. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz I think it has something to do with what I call
"sensibility." Subject matter, how it's handled, and complexity all
play a part. #MGlitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
michaelascotto RT @rachelnseigel: @Bec_AS I think its more
themes than age. Not all Ya has older characters, and not all MG has young
ones. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 I need the sophistication of YA and the "clean
lack of sex" of MG for my readers. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @mselke01 But upper MG books are starting to get
quite edgy. It's almost like subject matter trumps age these days #mglitchat
-7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone yeah, i can type derp #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct
11th, 2012
Bec_AS @elliefalcone What does the "upper" buy you
in extra word count? #MGLitChat -7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss issues, relevance to the reader, vocab -
subject? wot about relationship stuff? #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @elissacruz Yes that! #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct
11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes But can't upper MG at least acknowledge
feelings of...crushing? Like liking someone? #mglitchat I think so. -7:13 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis I also agree with complexity of plot as a
difference btwn MG and upper MG. Maybe layering of themes and subplots.
#mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera My thoughts too but have found many surprises!
MT @mselke01: I think YA also includes more "touchy" subjects more
mature themes #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry @elissacruz Older MG is often longer w/ smaller
type, and a more densely printed page. Not writing concerns but book design
#mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @JenniferCEstes Yes, absolutely! #mglitchat -7:13
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @JenniferCEstes I don't see why not. #mglitchat
-7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea But it's like some say SEE YOU AT HARRY'S--which is
one of my fav bks this year-is really YA. I disagree. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct
11th, 2012
loritayseastep @JenniferCEstes Yes! I def think so.
#mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk Definitely! RT @JenniferCEstes: But can't upper
MG at least acknowledge feelings of...crushing? Like liking someone? #mglitchat
I think so. -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I think SEE YOU AT HARRY'S is MG. #mglitchat -7:14
PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @RosanneParry Interesting. #MGlitchat -7:14 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @JenniferCEstes Yes, we'd say it can - but
we find it can't go all that much more beyond that without becoming YA
#mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @Bec_AS I always try to hit above 35K and then
let the story dictate. I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that one
officially. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase What are publishers saying about the difference?
Because we write what we write. It's in how they categorize these days
#mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes So, isn't that the stirring of budding
sexuality? Which some say is YA territory? I don't agree, but some think so.
#mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 11th, 2012
jjhoutman I like to say that YA is about falling off the
cliff, but MG is about teetering at the edge. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th,
2012
christinesarmel Earlier MG more focused on friendships.
Upper MG has more hints of early romance - or at least boys aren't yucky
anymore #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Really? WOW @elissacruz Older MG is often
longer w/ smaller type & densly printed page. Not writing concerns but book
design #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 I was having this discussion about Seraphina -
sophisticated language but the romance is very innocent #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct
11th, 2012
ilanawaters @elliefalcone Yes--is no one considering prose
style? Upper MG closer to YA in word choice, sentence complexity. #mglitchat
-7:15 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone More subplots. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th,
2012
PaulaChase It almost feels like age of the protag is the
last factor in upper MG vs MG vs YA #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @JenniferCEstes Yes, I think they acknowledge
crushes, but it doesn't get dominate the story #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th,
2012
rachelnseigel @PaulaChase To some degree it's age
categories- 8-12 vs 10-14. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress You tend to find a lot of school stories in
the younger middle grade arena - think Andrew Clements #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct
11th, 2012
elliefalcone RT @jjhoutman: I like to say that YA is about
falling off the cliff, but MG is about teetering at the edge. #mglitchat -7:15
PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @ilanawaters Yes, that's what I need! Beautiful,
challenging prose #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @jjhoutman I like that analogy #mglitchat -7:16
PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @JenniferCEstes Yes, definitely! 6th grade is
when crushing really gets underway. #MGLitChat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes I agree, totally. I didn't know some thought
it was YA. *eh?* *confused* RT @ixtumea: I think SEE YOU AT HARRY'S is MG.
#mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk RT @rachelnseigel: @PaulaChase To some degree
it's age categories- 8-12 vs 10-14. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Yes, this. RT @elliefalcone: More subplots.
#mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
christinesarmel Voice also makes a difference. Seventh
graders sound different than fifth graders. And the last bits of naive
disappear. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JoKnowles @ixtumea Yes, SEE YOU AT HARRY'S has been reviewed
as YA many times. But also as MG. Where do we put age 12 mc's? #mglitchat -7:16
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Keeping in mind that by 7th grade kids really are
dealing with a lot more "teetering" over the edge so they read up
fast #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress On the age question - a 16 or 17 year old
protag probably means you have a YA book, anything younger and it could be MG.
#mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Are any genres off base for MG vs YA? I know
each age/reading group have their preferences. MG usually like more
action/adventure #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters RT @elliefalcone: RT @jjhoutman: I like to say
that YA is about falling off the cliff, but MG is about teetering at the edge.
#mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoKnowles @ixtumea 12-year-old MC is usually
MG unless it's a very mature topic. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @marciabooks @JenniferCEstes But 6th graders are
reading up, so they are heading toward the YA books, or will soon. Right?
#MGlitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @JoKnowles I feel like a 12 yo MC is MG. But
that's based on age alone. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WaldenPondPress I generally use that model,
but what about when a character progressively ages over the course of a series?
#mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JoKnowles What does "mature" mean? Who defines? :)
RT @rachelnseigel: 12-year-old MC is usually MG unless it's a very mature
topic. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @PippaBayliss We need more MG and upper MG science
fiction! #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
loritayseastep RT @rachelnseigel: 12-year-old MC is usually
MG unless its a very mature topic. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @elissacruz I have a sixth grader and even though
he's still reading MG? He's been sneaking into my YAs. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct
11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoKnowles 12-year-old suffering sexual abuse?
Probably not MG- in my view anyway. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @JoKnowles @ixtumea HARRY'S reviewed of YA b/c
of age of MC or b/c of sexual orientation themes? I think HARRY'S is upper MG.
#mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @JoKnowles I think we underestimate the upper MG's
ability to handle sensitive stories like this. They CAN #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct
11th, 2012
PaulaChase @WaldenPondPress In my series the protag started
out at age 14 and that was YA. But it was "sweet" YA so it walked a
line #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks I think age 12 or 13 is MG, and 15 is YA. 14
seems awkward. Libraries label SO many MGs as YA! #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th,
2012
PippaBayliss AGREE! RT @mselke01: @PippaBayliss We need more
MG and upper MG science fiction! #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS Does 13 MC mean upper MG or YA or is that the age to
which never give your MC? #MGLitChat -7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @elissacruz Yes, reading up. So you figure
4th graders are reading MG with 12yo mcs...so, nothing too mature. #mglitchat
-7:18 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @marciabooks Uh, oh. Don't tell me that! I have a
sixth grader! #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @ixtumea My fifth grade is sneaking into YAs. I try
to help him make good choices. #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone I say let the story dictate; worry about the
particulars later. #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @JoKnowles Exactly. I think the dynamics are
confusing b/c it's what readers are ready for vs. what the market is
comfortable w/ #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @rachelnseigel - That's a good question -
I'd say the the latter books in the series are likely bridging on YA #mglitchat
-7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @Bec_AS I think 13 is a tough age, that tween
age. It depends on the subject matter~ #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @marciabooks My local library shelves some books
in both MG and YA sections #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes RT @elliefalcone: I say let the story
dictate; worry about the particulars later. #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @rachelnseigel - And you end up with
something like Harry Potter which seems to be classified as both MG and YA
#mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 11th, 2012
loritayseastep Our local library doesn't separate between MG
and YA at all! Sigh #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @PaulaChase @JoKnowles Isn't it silly to make
such hard and fast distinctions based on a number? #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct
11th, 2012
marciabooks @elissacruz @JenniferCEstes Oh, yes, I'm sure
lots of 6th graders read up. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @mselke01 Me too. Or we discuss the book. #mglitchat
-7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @ixtumea @elissacruz 'sneaking into' lol I
remember reading 'older' stuff as a kid :-) #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @AnshaKotyk Ah, mine does too! And, some MGs
are in YA...but some chapter books are in MG. I think we're all confused, LOL.
#mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone Apologies if I tweet something about the
yankees. lol #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JeanGiardina @Bec_AS I made my MC 12 just to avoid that age
line. #MGLitChat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @elliefalcone I agree. But the reality hits when
it's in submission phase. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
mselke01 @WaldenPondPress Which was fine when the kids were
growing WITH the books, but is harder now that they are all out. #mglitchat
-7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WaldenPondPress I was just about to reference
that! What if the content stays pretty innocent despite aging of characters?
#mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes We welcome the updates! RT @elliefalcone:
Apologies if I tweet something about the yankees. lol #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct
11th, 2012
mselke01 @lshullinger Yes, we all did that right? We
underestimate kids a lot. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @Bec_AS I'd argue it's likely MG #mglitchat
-7:20 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @ilanawaters Absolutely! I can tell some stories
about what middle school kids yet thematically it would be too mature for a
book #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @ilanawaters @PaulaChase @JoKnowles yes, it is.
Because kids read what interests them at their own level of maturity #mglitchat
-7:21 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @JenniferCEstes What I like is the library orders
2 books, one for Mg and one for YA. :) #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @PaulaChase Sounds like a younger YA book -
in many ways upper MG and young YA kind of blend together anyways #mglitchat
-7:21 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Agree! RT @AnshaKotyk: @JenniferCEstes What I
like is the library orders 2 books, one for Mg and one for YA. :) #mglitchat
-7:22 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Publishers seem to have clear guidelines they
expect us to stick to for MG and YA - one is MC's age & situations being
relevant #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @AnshaKotyk I get that, since some readers are
ready for a book at 10 and others at 14. But it sure confuses lots of folks!
#mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @PaulaChase Yeah, that's a reality that's hard
to pin down. lol #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @WaldenPondPress It feels like an MG age to me, too,
but there is so much uncertainty about it. #MGLitChat -7:22 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @WaldenPondPress @Bec_AS so it's a case-by-case
basis? #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @rachelnseigel @JoKnowles - It's also
interesting to point out that sometimes young characters (MG age) + heavy
themes = adult #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KristineAsselin I think it's interesting that we not only
have YA and MG, but upper MG and younger YA. :) Lots of overlap. Depends on
publisher? #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Am #mglitchat -ting and listening to the
Yankees. Best of both worlds! -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WaldenPondPress Like "Room" for
example. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Feels like the market for YA is pushing some
books that maybe traditionally would be YA into Upper MG based on subject
matter #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
garbergrumble This is s great topic, nit clear cut by any
means #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @lshullinger @PaulaChase @JoKnowles Exactly. Not
all twelve year olds are the same. And many YA's read adult books. #mglitchat
-7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea My sixth grader is reading graphic novels and he
really enjoyed the latest Patterson book on Middle school. #mglitchat -7:23 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS So let's say you DON'T want to cross that line from
"upper MG" to YA: What would you avoid? #MGLitChat -7:23 PM Oct 11th,
2012
elliefalcone As MG reaches world domination, do you think
they're gonna have to come up with a different shelving set-up? #mglitchat
-7:23 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @Bec_AS @anshakotyk Different people will
likely categorize it differently - in that in-between gap, it's hard for 100%
agreement #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I really think this age is hard. I know it is for
me. They want to be big kids as long as mom/dad are around. #mglitchat -7:24 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @elliefalcone I have a category for grade 4-6
and then 6-8, and 14+ in my showroom/store. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @elliefalcone I would love to be able to trust
that. Not sure I do. Agents seem to not like "in between." #MGlitchat
-7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @JenniferCEstes @AnshaKotyk Curious Incident of
the Dog in the Nighttime was adult in US and YA in UK. Weird? #mglitchat -7:24
PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes I'm curious why, since this comes up, the
idea of "tween" books hasn't taken off the way you'd think it
would've in recent years. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I seriously think the president should have a
committee of 10-12 yr olds. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @garbergrumble No it isn't and that's something
to always keep in mind. Not you specifically... #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th,
2012
AnshaKotyk @ilanawaters loved that book, but could see it
either way. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @Bec_AS Wow that still leaves it so open. Avoid
sex. Avoid cursing. Avoid dark/edgy themes. Avoid graphic depiction. My
thoughts #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @JenniferCEstes I like to pretend I write
'tween'. :) #mglitchat -7:25 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS tongue. : P #mglitchat (seriously,
that's what people will say.) -7:25 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea Do you also think interest might be different per
gender? #mglitchat -7:25 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss @ilanawaters There are always exceptions and
always will be :) #mglitchat -7:25 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @AnshaKotyk See, that's where I'm at, but I
guess were in a small (but very cool) group? #mglitchat -7:25 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS Making out. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Oct
11th, 2012
aecbks @JoKnowles Who did you envision the reader for
HARRY'S? Mg or YA? 10-14 or 12-up? Or...? #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis Lol, love it! #MGLitChat -7:26 PM Oct
11th, 2012
garbergrumble @PaulaChase interesting, I would have thought
that the YA boom would have publishers funneling books into YA rather than
upper MG #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ruth_donnelly Great topic. Just got here, trying to read
thru previous comments to catch up! #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @Bec_AS Language beyond "crap,"
physicality, depth of emotion (1/2) #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I do think sensitive topics should be in MGs.
#mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @ixtumea: I seriously think the president
should have a committee of 10-12 yr olds. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @JenniferCEstes But really was the difference in
"tween" vs. MG? I never really got it. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th,
2012
AnshaKotyk @JenniferCEstes We're on the brink of a
revolution. ;) No one else knows it yet. :) #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @ixtumea I do! #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th,
2012
ixtumea @PaulaChase I agree. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th,
2012
PaulaChase @ixtumea But without the graphic detail,I guess
to keep it MG #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Agreed. Shameful to think that MG readers
don't deal w/those issues. RT @ixtumea: I do think sensitive topics should be
in MGs. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KristineAsselin RT @AnshaKotyk: @JenniferCEstes Were on the
brink of a revolution. ;) No one else knows it yet. :) #mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct
11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes I always suspected! RT @AnshaKotyk:
@JenniferCEstes We're on the brink of a revolution. ;) No one else knows it
yet. :) #mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @Bec_As More direct issues: can deal with
things like alcoholism in MG but it's a little more vague (e.g. True...Sort Of)
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @garbergrumble @PaulaChase It could be that they
are "full" on their YA quota, so they recategorize. #Idunno
#soundsgoodthough #MGlitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea I'm homeschooling my sixth grader. Some of the
things I hear/read? Wowza. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone Re: worrying about particulars later. I meant,
write the story, revise (rinse, repeat) and find out where your story is.
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
christinesarmel Maybe they have different buyers. Parents
are used to buying MG. YA buyers usually pick out their own #mglitchat -7:27 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS See....told you! No
tongue. LOL. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ruth_donnelly So true! RT @jjhoutman: I like to say that YA
is about falling off the cliff, but MG is about teetering at the edge.
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @ixtumea @JenniferCEstes I think sensitive matter
can be tackled... it's just by what perspective. mg vs ya #mglitchat -7:27 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea Also we go to private lessons and twice a wk to a
satellite school. Hear from those kids too what they want/like. #mglitchat
-7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @rachelnseigel Yes, good example or Lovely
Bones #mglitchat -7:27 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @marciabooks @elliefalcone In-between sometimes means
"no place to shelve in bookstore" = hard sell to publisher.
#MGlitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes RT @AnshaKotyk: @ixtumea @JenniferCEstes I
think sensitive matter can be tackled... it's just by what perspective. mg vs
ya #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @Bec_AS I think it's voice. MG has a "still
a kid" voice that YA doesn't. #MGlitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
michaelascotto @WaldenPondPress Because of Winn-Dixie had
touches of that too #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @garbergrumble But with paranormal, sci-fi,
fantasy being so huge in YA there's little room for just plain old sweet YA.
#mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @JenniferCEstes We did read a book that dealt with
gay bashing. I think they should be exposed to this while friends don't.
#mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
garbergrumble @ixtumea agree, MG readers are looking for
substance #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WaldenPondPress I'm seeing quite a bit of
Adult fiction featuring young characters. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JoKnowles @aecbks I like Candlewick's choice of 10+. But
that means it's MG and YA? This is why I find it confusing. :) #mglitchat -7:28
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @christinesarmel Oooh good point. You still have
parent gatekeepers with MG for sure. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Sensitive topics and pushing the envelope in MG
is all about execution. Okay For Now comes to mind, and Wonder - prolly many
more #mglitchat -7:28 PM Oct 11th, 2012
akossket RT @elliefalcone: I say let the story dictate;
worry about the particulars later. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Interesting! @WaldenPondPress Im seeing quite a
bit of Adult fiction featuring young characters. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Oct 11th,
2012
rachelnseigel @PaulaChase @christinesarmel It took until I
was about 14-15 b4 my mom stopped screening my reading material. #mglitchat
-7:29 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ixtumea @PaulaChase Yes, I agree. No graphic details though
there was some in HUNGER GAMES and son read it at 10. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Oct
11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress Waiting for Normal is also another ex of an
issues drive MG book that deals with intense themes. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Oct
11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Again, it's all about mc's perspective on
issues, sensitive or not..... #mglitchat -7:29 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @JenniferCEstes Bingo! #mglitchat -7:30 PM Oct
11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @ixtumea Yes. Not helpful to kids to pretend
that it doesn't happen, or can't happen, or is happening right now to a friend.
#mglitchat -7:30 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @PippaBayliss Great examples - although some
people still ID Okay for Now as YA - what do you think? #mglitchat -7:30 PM Oct
11th, 2012
akossket @elliefalcone I really hope they do. #mglitchat
-7:30 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @PippaBayliss Even ONE AND ONLY IVAN addresses
alcoholism in a very understated manner. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @rachelnseigel I wonder when I'll stop screening my
12yo's... #MGLitChat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @WaldenPondPress I LOVED Waiting for Normal! One
of my favorite MG books. The issues were indeed more mature but handled well
#mglitchat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder @PippaBayliss Don't want to be a broken record,
but for me, MG is about a kid discovering external landscape, YA is internal.
#mglitchat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes I think that some people just say a book is
YA if it is at all "sensitive" or about "issues", to help
parents who don't screen. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry @christinesarmel I've come to like the phrase
"aspirational romance" for upper MG. All the love, but nothing icky
or too personal #mglitchat -7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @JoKnowles The age categories are just ballparks to
help gatekeepers. But the reader knows if it's right for him/her. #MGlitChat
-7:31 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress Yes - definitely true: RT @JenniferCEstes:
Again, its all about mcs perspective on issues, sensitive or not.....
#mglitchat -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder There are a jillion MG books that explore
issues. It's about whether the character is looking at them in a window, or a
mirror. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JoKnowles YES! RT @aecbks: The age categories are just
ballparks to help gatekeepers. But the reader knows if it's right for him/her.
#MGlitChat -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @LaurelSnyder I love this. Please elaborate. :)
#MGLitChat -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
TLT16 #mglitchat many libraries will put them in both J (MG)
and YA collections because they really belong in both. -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone RT @aecbks: The age categories are just
ballparks to help gatekeepers. But the reader knows if its right for him/her.
#mglitchat -7:32 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress RT @aecbks: @JoKnowles The age categories
are just ballparks to help gatekeepers. But the reader knows if its right for
him/her. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss @WaldenPondPress Tricky. I'd say Enders Game,
Lord o/t Flies & Artemis Fowl are upper MG but are catag'd as YA from wot
I've seen #mglitchat -7:33 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KristineAsselin Yes. RT @JoKnowles The age categories are
just ballparks to help gatekeepers. But the reader knows if its right for
him/her. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS Teens are trying to figure out who THEY
are. Kids are still trying to figure out what the WORLD is. Kids adventure.
#mglitchat -7:33 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @LaurelSnyder Never thought about it that way.
Good perspective. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes As a side note, some just don't give kids
enough credit for being interested in sensitive topics, since they deal daily
w/them. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry @LaurelSnyder @PippaBayliss Agreed! MG kids are
all about figuring out the world and their place in it. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Oct
11th, 2012
marciabooks @PippaBayliss OK 4 Now grt example of a foot in
both camps. Yet mss. get R'd 4 this. Hope it's not a matter of how big author
is? #Mglitchat -7:34 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @PippaBayliss @WaldenPondPress Enders Game wasn't
pubbed from a children's division so it crossed more boundaries. #MGlitChat
-7:34 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @lshullinger Same here - it's a favorite of
mine, and a great example of issue MG done well. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Oct 11th,
2012
PaulaChase @LaurelSnyder You know by that definition I stand
by my belief that no matter how sweet my books are YA. It's all internal
#mglitchat -7:35 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @LaurelSnyder Their place in the world, or just
"how it works"? #MGLitChat -7:35 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JoKnowles Just an aside: It is really odd to be tweeting
#mglitchat and #vpdebate at the same time. #balance -7:35 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder This is why later HP books edge into YA. Not
because they're long or have kisses, but b/c he knows his world, is pondering
self. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera MT@laurelsnyder There are a jillion MG books
that explore issues it's whether character is looking at them in window or
mirror #mglitchat -7:35 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @JoKnowles Here ya. Trying not to tweet
#yankees accidentally. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
jjhoutman They are ready for different aspects of YA at
different times RT @JoKnowles The ... reader knows if its right for him/her.
#mglitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @JenniferCEstes I think, in the minds of a lot
of the general public, it's all YA. They consider MG to be "chapter
books." #MGlitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS They are trying to navigate it, I
think, but not struggling with big identity issues yet. If they are it's
premature/ YA. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Honestly, @LaurelSnyder just summed up the
definition better than I've ever heard it. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @RosanneParry @LaurelSnyder @PippaBayliss Agree. But
that's true of much YA as well-- kids figuring out their place in the world.
#MGlitChat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder So, like, a kid with druggie mom in MG is
trying to find a way to get through that experience, help mom, find safe place
to land. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @PippaBayliss Good Exms. LOF seems typically
to be read in high school, but doesn't mean some MGers are ready to read it.
#mglitchat -7:37 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @marciabooks @JenniferCEstes You're so right. General
public doesn't get all wrapped up in diff between MG and YA. #MGlitChat -7:37
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @aecbks But to her point, in YA they're figuring
out their place based on how they feel, how it impacts them. #mglitchat -7:37
PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder Same kid, druggie mom, YA? Trying to figure out
how to BE a kid with a druggie mom. "Is it my fault? Don't want to be
her!" #mglitchat -7:37 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @marciabooks @jennifercestes Agree, the term
"middle grade" generally isn't recognized outside the
community:either YA or chp bks #mglitchat -7:38 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @JoKnowles IKR? Feel like my eyeballs are on
fire. And this is such a great #mglitchat! -7:38 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder @aecbks But it's from INSIDE. They're gazing in
a mirror, saying, "How will I dwell here, be this person, survive?"
#mglitchat -7:38 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @aecbks: @marciabooks @JenniferCEstes We wouldn't
either, if it wasn't for publishers! It's all their fault!!! #MGLitChat -7:38
PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @JoKnowles I'm loving it. Just like a peanut
butter cup. Passionate about both!! #mglitchat #vpdebate -7:38 PM Oct 11th,
2012
LaurelSnyder @marciabooks Yes, agreed. To the gen pop it's
all YA. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @aecbks @PippaBayliss @WaldenPondPress I
remember a ten year old coming into bookstore where I worked and asking for
that. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone Die, spambot, die! #mglitchat -7:39 PM Oct
11th, 2012
elissacruz @WaldenPondPress @marciabooks @jennifercestes So
true. I can't tell you how often people ask me "what is MG?" #sigh
#MGlitchat -7:39 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder You write the book. Then an editor may push it
one way or the other, so its easier to sell. But really for sales to figure
out. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Oct 11th, 2012
loritayseastep @LaurelSnyder Great analogy! Thanks.
#mglitchat -7:40 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I was recently in a group of various
writers, only then agent understood me when I said upper MG. #sigh #MGlitchat
-7:40 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @WaldenPondPress True. And to others still you
say "YA" and they're like "oh kids books." Well, not
kiddie,kids! #mglitchat -7:40 PM Oct 11th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat we need a whole new category-
Middle Middle Grade! -7:40 PM Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder Or not sales, but marketing? It's so they can
shelve it. @lisabrowndraws has things to say about this. #mglitchat -7:40 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
kurtisscaletta Hi folks. Too late to join in? #mglitchat
-7:41 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @PaulaChase Yes indeed! There are many who
just classify everything as kid's books :). #mglitchat -7:41 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @kurtisscaletta You're always welcome! #mglitchat
-7:41 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera #mglitchat - sometimes helpful for those of us
in education who span the 11-14 age range. Our kids are quite different in 6th
than 8th gr. -7:41 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @PaulaChase Also - can't tell you how many
times I say I work in children's pub and person thinks we only pub picture
books ;) #mglitchat -7:41 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @AnshaKotyk Sigh, indeed. #mglitchat -7:42 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder My books are middle grade, but HUGE range of
adventure/identity/tone. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss @WaldenPondPress I see gr 6 & 7 kids
enjoying YA dystopian so that makes me wonder. S'pose it's all about reading
comprehension #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kurtisscaletta Hi! How was bedtime? Glad you
made it! #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase I agree the categories are primarily familiar
only to insiders. But now even the insiders are getting confused. Is that just
me? #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ruth_donnelly Doesn't help that NYT calls both MG and YA
chapter books, bookstores have their own terms, and it's something else in the
UK. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @maliseherrera Totally agree - and kids
change so much from year to year in MS - early 6th can be very diff. from end
of the year #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera maturity, reading levels/ability, what the
family has exposed and/or sheltered them from all make book choice more
contentious! #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @WaldenPondPress *nods* Exactly. If it's not
adult fiction then it's all kiddie to gen pop #mglitchat -7:43 PM Oct 11th,
2012
WaldenPondPress @PippaBayliss I know - younger kids too. One
can say that much of it goes over their heads, but perhaps some kids could be
ready? #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @maliseherrera Agreed, a lot of variables. #MGLitChat
-7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry @LaurelSnyder @lisabrowndraws Sometimes where
it fits in school curriculum makes a marketing decision too. #mglitchat -7:44
PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Truth is, everyone just want to have neat,
easily categorized titles. But bigger truth is, kids are not easily
categorized. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz Yes! This is why agents
say they get MG that's YA and YA that's MG. B/c evn librarians & wrtrs R
confusd. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase Read a few Cybils books last year from YA
category that fit @laurelsnyder pov of MG. I felt they were MG then convinced
now! #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @WaldenPondPress @maliseherrera Yes, so true! We can
say MG but kids of 8 are so diff from kids of 12-13. #MGLitChat -7:44 PM Oct
11th, 2012
elissacruz @PaulaChase Which could be a good thing. Maybe it
will break down barriers and make some books "publishable."
#MGlitchat -7:44 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone What's the age range for confused? Haha
#mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @JenniferCEstes very true #mglitchat -7:45 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes RT @elissacruz: @PaulaChase Which could be a
good thing. Maybe it will break down barriers and make some books
"publishable." #MGlitchat -7:45 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters MT @JenniferCEstes: Truth is, everyone just want
to have easily categorized titles. But truth is, kids not easily categorized.
#mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @elissacruz Dare to dream! #mglitchat -7:46
PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @aecbks @maliseherrera Yes! Such a wide
array of reading levels & abilities w/in the MG space, prob more than any
other age range #mglitchat -7:46 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ruth_donnelly @ilanawaters True. A lot of preteens/early
teens read both simultaneously. I did. Heck, I still do! #mglitchat -7:46 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @elliefalcone 3-38yo is that age range, right?
#MGLitChat -7:46 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @JenniferCEstes LOL. I'm good at that. ;)
#MGlitchat -7:46 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @elissacruz You'd think. But the jury is still
out for me. Pubs tend to over categorize sometimes. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Oct
11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk RT @WaldenPondPress:Yes! Such a wide array of
reading levels & abilities w/in the MG space, prob more than any other age
range #mglitchat -7:46 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JeanGiardina @JenniferCEstes Absolutely! #MGLitChat -7:46 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
trkravtin I don't think deciding whether it's YA or MG
first, is more important that a good story. A good story will find it's
audience. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Tahleen Just joining, sorry for being late! Interested in
this—my new job will deal mostly with MG-aged kids. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct
11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Yes, on age range. My 7yo *could* read things
my 10yo does...but, should she? I think not. (Says her mother who knows her
well) #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @Bec_AS Might need to go higher for some of us.
*cough* #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @elissacruz It's what we love about you!
#mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress @lshullinger @PaulaChase I can imagine :) -
probably makes you feel a bit like a broken record #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct
11th, 2012
LaurelSnyder I feel like I only recently figured out Little
Women was YA. B/c it's "old fashioned" I read as MG. Same w/ Tree
Grows in Bklyn. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @Tahleen Welcome! #MGlitchat -7:47 PM Oct 11th,
2012
aecbks @ruth_donnelly @ilanawaters Mark of a great book if
you can enjoy it for different reasons at different stages. #MGlitChat -7:47 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @trkravtin In theory, yes, absolutely. But when a
book is "hard" to market? Can't count on it being found. #mglitchat
-7:48 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS @elliefalcone Darn. I thought there became a point in
which we had it all figured out. :) #MGLitChat -7:48 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @LaurelSnyder Some classics remain a mystery
to me, having not revisited them & thought about it. I read them all at MG
age. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss The bottom line: I'm going to have to re-think
my MG dystopian! #mglitchat -7:48 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @aecbks @ruth_donnelly Absolutely. This is what
makes a classic. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Oct 11th, 2012
jjhoutman RT @ilanawaters Mark of a great book if you can
enjoy it for different reasons at different stages. #MGlitChat -7:48 PM Oct
11th, 2012
kurtisscaletta Can't stay but one thing I'll say is don't
worry about what your book is, just write it and let publisher/editor worry abt
it. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @LaurelSnyder Sort of Like LIttle House on the
Prairie #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @Bec_AS *heavy sigh* I wish. #mglitchat -7:49
PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @elissacruz @PaulaChase Oh, I hope! #mglitchat
-7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry Good news of the day @powells in Portland is
doubling both their MG and YA sections in response to strong sales! #mglitchat
-7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Bec_AS I've hid out long enough, and now I've been found-
time to put the lil one to bed. It's been a really good chat! #MGLitChat -7:49
PM Oct 11th, 2012
shannonclark7 #mglitchat Want to recommend Between Shades of
Gray for anyone interested in concentration/labor camps. Was a great story.
-7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elliefalcone @kurtisscaletta Exactly! #mglitchat -7:49 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks Recalling favorite old adage "the right book for
the right child at the right age" #MGLitChat -7:49 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Bec_AS see you next week! #MGLitChat -7:49 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
trkravtin A good book will find a market. If there are
difficulties, then there are other issues at play. @PaulaChase #Mglitchat -7:49
PM Oct 11th, 2012
ruth_donnelly Good to hear! RT @RosanneParry: @powells in
Portland is doubling both their MG and YA sections in response to strong sales!
#mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KristineAsselin Agree! RT @kurtisscaletta: Don't worry about
what your book is, just write it and let publisher/editor worry abt it.
#MGLitChat -7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
maliseherrera #mglitchat thanks for sharing all your
thoughts and ideas about MG and YA. It's been great! -7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase It's been a very enlightening chat. #mglitchat
-7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Another dream: a whole MG section in stores
like YA is it's own! Now MG is housed w/picture books. Think everyone's
confused. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
trkravtin Now if you're talking SALES, then that is another
issue. :-> @PaulaChase #Mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 11th, 2012
bonnyglen GREAT news! RT @RosanneParry Good news of the day
@powells is doubling both their MG & YA sections in response to strong
sales! #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
RosanneParry @JenniferCEstes @LaurelSnyder I think the
classics were marketed as "family fiction" at the time of their 1st
printing. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @trkravtin I don't disagree in general. Just saying
it's not always issues with the story. Marketing plays a part. #mglitchat -7:51
PM Oct 11th, 2012
PaulaChase @trkravtin *bingo* #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th,
2012
trkravtin RT @RosanneParry: Good news @powells in Portland
is doubling both their MG and YA sections in response to strong sales!
#Mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @JenniferCEstes Oh, Man. I would totally love to
open a MG-only bookstore. If I only had a million dollars I could lose...
#MGlitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
WaldenPondPress Awesome news!RT @RosanneParry Good news of
the day @powells is doubling both their MG & YA sections in response to
strong sales! #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @RosanneParry @laurelsnyder Back then, there
was no such thing as children's literature! #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 11th, 2012
TLT16 RT @mselke01: @PippaBayliss We need more MG and upper
MG science fiction! #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Tahleen I think I have more trouble figuring out when a
children's novel makes its way into MG territory. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 11th,
2012
JenniferCEstes @elissacruz LOL! DH and I are always
conspiring about opening a bookstore in town.... #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 11th,
2012
trkravtin Yes, marketing is important. The role that
publishers play within the market are also important. @PaulaChase #Mglitchat
-7:52 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks @elissacruz @JenniferCEstes When I win the lottery
I'll put up half that million. #MGLitChat -7:52 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @bonnyglen @RosanneParry @powells Woot! I love
good news! And for those interested in the debate, Biden is kicking a$$!
#mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @KristineAsselin @kurtisscaletta Agree in
theory, as did writers in the 70s & 80s, but today I think that way lies
query trouble? #mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Kellie_Celia @elissacruz @jennifercestes - I'm in on the MG
bookstore! #bestideaever #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @marciabooks Yes. But bottom line: Best you
can write, agents/editors fall in love, leave the shelving confusion up to
them. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @PaulaChase Paula, you are I are on the same
wavelength. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk me too! sounds brilliant. RT @Kellie_Celia:
@elissacruz @jennifercestes - I'm in on the MG bookstore! #bestideaever
#mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters MT @KristineAsselin: Agree! RT @kurtisscaletta:
Don't worry about what your book is, just write/let publisher/editor worry abt
it.#MGLitChat -7:55 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Holy cow! If we all pool our piggy banks MG
BOOKSTORE DOMINATION IS OURS! #mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @Kellie_Celia @jennifercestes YAY! Now to get the
funding.... #MGlitchat -7:55 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk Just envisioning it is making me happy. :)RT
@JenniferCEstes: If we all pool our piggy banks MG BOOKSTORE DOMINATION IS
OURS! #mglitchat -7:56 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @JenniferCEstes All you need is love, love. Love
is all you need... #mglitchat -7:56 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk Thank you to everyone for a great chat tonight on
the wonders and confusions of our genre! #mglitchat -7:57 PM Oct 11th, 2012
ilanawaters @elissacruz @Kellie_Celia @jennifercestes Great
#mglitchat, everyone. Thank you hostesses! Let me know when lottery win
is--will work 4 U! -7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @AnshaKotyk And thank you to the hostesses!
(In your honor, after last week, I bought some Hostess cupcakes!) #mglitchat
-7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk We'll work on getting the transcript up, along
with our plan of funding a huge Middle Grade only bookstore... #mglitchat -7:58
PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes LOVERT @AnshaKotyk: We'll work on getting the
transcript up, along with our plan of funding a huge Middle Grade only
bookstore... #mglitchat -7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
KDuBayGillis I wasn't a very good #mglitchat participant
tonight. I'm watching a debate between non-fiction and high fantasy. #VPDebate
-7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz Well, chat is winding down, and so am I. Thanks
to all for yet another wonderful discussion. #MGlitchat -7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes RT @KDuBayGillis: I wasn't a very good
#mglitchat participant tonight. I'm watching a debate between non-fiction and
high fantasy. #VPDebate -7:58 PM Oct 11th, 2012
marciabooks @AnshaKotyk Thank you! It was quite a whirlwind.
:) #mglitchat -7:59 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes @KDuBayGillis It's okay! Talk about stranger
than fiction.... #mglitchat -7:59 PM Oct 11th, 2012
aecbks Thanks for an invigorating chat! #MGLitChat -7:59 PM
Oct 11th, 2012
elissacruz @AnshaKotyk Oh, I am so good with big
projects.... *rubs hands together* #MGlitchat -7:59 PM Oct 11th, 2012
AnshaKotyk Thanks everyone, see you all next week. Same
bat-channel. or ya know tweet hashtag. (just doesnt' sound as good) #mglitchat
-7:59 PM Oct 11th, 2012
lshullinger @elissacruz Thanks everyone! Was fun! Goodnight.
#mglitchat -8:00 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes RT @marciabooks: @JenniferCEstes All you need
is love, love. Love is all you need... #mglitchat -8:00 PM Oct 11th, 2012
Kellie_Celia @elissacruz @JenniferCEstes That is the
question :) Oh, the titles I would handsell....#mglitchat -8:00 PM Oct 11th,
2012
WaldenPondPress Great chat! Thanks so much @elissacruz &
@anshakotyk! #mglitchat -8:01 PM Oct 11th, 2012
JenniferCEstes Good night, all! #mglitchat -8:01 PM Oct
11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Thank you lovely Elissa & Ansha. I'm going
to have to read the transcript to work out if I learned anything but it was
fun! #mglitchat -8:01 PM Oct 11th, 2012
PippaBayliss Kidding. I did learn something, I did, I did.
#mglitchat -8:02 PM Oct 11th, 2012
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