rachelgrinti Welcome to tonight's chat, everyone! I'm
excited about today's topic: MG novels in verse! #mglitchat -8:59 PM Sep 20th,
2012
matt_janacone I've read books by Stephen Roos, Chris
Crutcher and Hiaasen but never read a verse novel. #mglitchat -9:00 PM Sep
20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti Do you think people are expecting
tweets in verse for tonight's topic? : ) #mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti We'll be talking favorite novels in verse,
thoughts on writing them, and thoughts on what makes great verse novels
#mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis I hope not! Er, but everyone else
is welcome to ;) #mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti So, starting off -- does anyone have any
favorite MG novels in verse? What makes them really work for you? #mglitchat
-9:02 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis I've read only one. HIDDEN by Helen Frost. And
I feel like I missed the best part. #mglitchat -9:02 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti This year I've read Inside Out and Back again,
which was great -- descriptions & emotions so well done. And just finished
May B #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis Missed the best part? #mglitchat
-9:04 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis Was May B historical fiction? #mglitchat -9:04
PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti To tweet in verse I
cannot do, and yet be comprehensible too. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina Loved LOVE THAT DOG by @ciaobellacreech. Read
it with my son who loves poetry. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rachelgrinti I loved Katherine Applegate
"Home of the Brave". Made me cry! #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ninjagrrlz I loved Orchards by Holly Thompson,
cross-cultural setting, compelling characters, very relevant subject matter-teen
suicide. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @lshullinger Hi and welcome! Chat tip: make
sure to include the hashtag #mglitchat in your tweet so your messages show up
for everyone! :) -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
coachhays64 @matt_janacone I can't say I've read a novel in
verse either. I hear May B. is a good one. And it's set in Kansas, Land of
Poetry #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Hi everyone. A fantastic MG prose novel-- and
first I read-- is PIECES OF GEORGIA by Jen Bryant #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th,
2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti Can't remember exactly how it
works, but you read the last word of certain verses and it tells another story.
#mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ninjagrrlz Orchards was wonderful! I loved
the perspective of the MC! #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 20th, 2012
RosanneParry #mglitchat it's my impression that most novels
in verse are YA. -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti There's a picture
book kind of like that! #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti And the other story was from a
particular character's POV. Tricky. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @rachelgrinti "Averse to Beasts" by
Nick Bantock is a great little volume no one should mock. #mglitchat -9:06 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
lshullinger @rachelgrinti ok, thanks! #mglitchat -9:06 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters It's power lies in clever rhymes, which the
author delivers every time. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis Yes, May B is historical fiction
about a girl who ends up surviving alone on the prairie for some time.
#mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina Hoping to get a lot of great ideas for my
nephew. He has a language LD. The only writing that really engages him is
verse! #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler We talked about this topic on #poetry4kids a
couple of weeks ago -- spent some time trying to define what makes a novel in
verse #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone @coachhays64 I just learned of Ron Koertge
#mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @dianezahler What definition did you come up
with? #poetry4kids #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KDuBayGillis May B is definitiely HF, IMO, and
one of the most memorable I've read. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis But I think we should clarify. Verse doesn't
necessarily mean rhyme. Who wants to tackle definition? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep
20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @ilanawaters Wow! You've brought your A game
tonight! Love it. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis That does sound tricky.
#mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @rachelnseigel Thank you for loving Orchards!
#mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone @ilanawaters I once wrote a rhyming children's
story called Carl the Cranky Crocodile but never a mid-grade novel. #mglitchat
-9:08 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @JeanGiardina Is he a baseball fan? Try
Shakespeare bats Clean-Up.(Koertge) #mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @hatbooks Thank you for writing it! so rare to
find a novel that tackles girl bullying that way! Presented on it in a
conference. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @JeanGiardina *blush* I love 2 rhyme, I cannot
lie. Though U may tire of me, by and by. [let's see how long I can keep this
up!] #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
RosanneParry #mglitchat Orchards for example is lovely but
it's YA. -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @matt_janacone: @coachhays64 I just learned of
Ron Koertge @Candlewick #Mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @PBWorkshop: @JeanGiardina Is he a baseball
fan? Try Shakespeare bats Clean-Up.(Koertge) #Mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ninjagrrlz Karen Hesse's Out of the Dust, Historical, about
Oklahoma Dust bowl, has great 14-year old MC. MC strong, beautiful language.
#mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti RT @KDuBayGillis: But I think we should
clarify. Verse doesn't necessarily mean rhyme. Who wants to tackle definition?
#mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @rachelnseigel Agree--Home of the Brave is
excellent MG verse novel. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat A verse novel: type of narrative
poetry in which a novel-length narrative is told through the medium of poetry
rather than prose. -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
lshullinger @JeanGiardina @ciaobellacreech I'm a big fan of
Sharon Creech's work :-) #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti So, most novels in verse seem to be free verse.
I've seen criticism of some verse books being just "chopped up
sentences." #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis HIDDEN didn't rhyme. Do the others mentioned
here thus far? #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone It's hard enough to get it all on paper but
make it rhyme, too! Yikes! :) #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @rachelnseigel: #Mglitchat A verse novel:
type of narrative poetry in which a novel-length narrative is told through the
medium of po ... -9:10 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis Prose doesn't necessarily rhyme.
#mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti But attention to rhythm and word choice are
still there. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @JeanGiardina He might also read THE WAY A DOOR
CLOSES, by Anita Hope Smith. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @matt_janacone That would be a hard thing to do,
but you could write it--aye, 'tis true! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis Or rather Novels in Verse I
meant aren't necessarily rhyming. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KDuBayGillis Very few that I read are rhyming
text- none that I can recall. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin .@rachelnseigel: A verse novel-type of narrative
poetry; a novel-length narrative told through poetry rather than prose.
#Mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks Other mg verse novels: Inside Out and Back Again,
Under the Mesquite, The Crazy Man, some Helen Frost is MG, Sharon Creech...
#mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelgrinti And particularly line breaks. Byrd
Baylor said she guarded her line breaks more even than the words. #mglitchat
-9:12 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @PBWorkshop Thank you! I'm writing tbr list for
him as fast as I can. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @rachelnseigel spent time trying to
differentiate between verse & poetry -- poetic elements defining poetry,
not nec. verse #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Prose novel gives reader different experience
than traditional novel. Still tells engaging story but format helps shape
journey. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone @ilanawaters Nice to have a cheerleader like
@ilanawaters ! #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @dianezahler Just as not all poetry is in
rhyme. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Nice to have a cheerleader like @ilanawaters !
#mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @hatbooks HIDDEN by Helen Frost is the one I've
read. It was lovely with great stakes. Not what I expected. #mglitchat -9:13 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss I meant verse novel-- not prose novel.
(self-correcting) #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ninjagrrlz the artistry in most successful MG verse novels
is to flow, be lyrical yet not flowery...otherwise, yes, just chopped-up prose.
#mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @JeanGiardina Be sure to ahve him check Byrd
Baylor titles: HAWK, I'M YOUR BROTHER especially. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 20th,
2012
hatbooks Verse novelists approach format in diff ways; short
poems vs. chapters that are long poems; page turns vs. no page turns, etc.
#mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @matt_janacone You are most kind, gracious sir.
Then again, you always were. :-) #mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin Allan Wolf's New Found Land & The Watch That
Ends the Night. Might tend toward YA than MG. @Candlewick #Mglitchat -9:15 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KellyBingham1 has a remarkable story-SHARKGIRL.
Fingers crossed that sequel is in the works. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @rachelnseigel Right -- elements of poetry
including rhyme rhythm metaphor alliteration etc. Verse is a physical division.
#mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @trkravtin Read "WTETN""
Definitely YA. #Mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
Jenlinlong Would you consider THE ONE AND ONLY IVAN a verse
novel? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat anybody read "Pearl vs the
World" by Sally Murphy"? This is listed as Verse -9:15 PM Sep 20th,
2012
hatbooks @RosanneParry agree-Orchards is YA. My next verse
novel is YA, too. Just finished an MG verse novel though! #mglitchat -9:15 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @Jenlinlong Come to think of it, I think so.
#mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Tell you what, folks. I'll post Carl the
Cranky Crocodile on my Kids blog http://t.co/AcIfVxAz It's not a mid-grade
novel. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @hatbooks I sold "Orchards" to grade
7's and 8's. Early YA, but so necessary 4 Nr. High! #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep
20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @hatbooks Jr. High that is. #mglitchat -9:16
PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti Those who work w/ or have kids: Do you find it
hard to convince kids to try a verse novel? Or does format not seem to matter?
#mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Let me slide w/ Carl the Cranky Crocodile :)
#mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @rachelnseigel Yes, have read but title is Pearl
Verses the World. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop Recently finished Pearl Verses the World- love
the title pun; really well done, remarkable character development. #mglitchat
-9:17 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AudryT @hatbooks Also, The Hurricane Dancers -- re: verse
novels. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks Another MG verse novel is Becoming Joe Dimaggio by
Maria Testa. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @hatbooks Right! Force of habit shortening the
word. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin Lurking in #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th,
2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters Zorgamazoo is all in rhyme.
#mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @PBWorkshop: Recently finished Pearl Verses the
World- love the title pun; really well done, remarkable character development.
#Mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
Jenlinlong @rachelgrinti I have found it harder to booktalk
verse novels with the exception of Sonia Sones books. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep
20th, 2012
WriterRoss @rachelgrinti I should insert here iconic verse
novelist for children- Sonya Sones- recently published adult verse novel!
#mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @PBWorkshop TY, Sandy. My sister is going to be
so happy with this reading list. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat would Beverly Cleary "Dear Mr.
Henshaw" be considered verse? -9:19 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Holly-- Loved Maria's BECOMING JOE DiMAGGIO
#mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelgrinti In my experience, reluctant readers
are more willing to try- lots of white space on the page compared to prose.
#mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin The only verse novel I've read it May B by
Caroline Starr Rose. Excellent! #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @PBWorkshop Yes. Especially when school
assignments give a minimum (and possibly intimidating) page count for books.
#mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti But wouldn't plot/hook trump
format when trying to convince? #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @JeanGiardina Most welcome- I'm such a fan of
Baylor's titles for boys. Some of her MCs are girls, but boys love them.
#mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler I will have to check it out--a
fantastic rec, no doubt [omg how much more annoying can I be? ;-P] #mglitchat
-9:21 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @WriterRoss Sonya Sones is wonderful, but her works
are considered YA. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @rachelgrinti In my experience, easier. More
white space. Meaning is not lost in lots of text. Able to make quick progress.
#mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Just bought a new novel- EVA OF THE FARM by Dia
Calhoun-- that called to me: lyrical, emotional verse novel. #mglitchat -9:22
PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss I read one of her early books and
loved the writing! #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis Not for kids who have struggled
with longer books, I think. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Can anyone recommend a rhyming mid-garde
novel? #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters Not annoying at all! But...I
haven't actually read it. Had it recommended to me, saw a piece online. Very
Seussian. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @matt_janacone "Zorgamazoo" by
Robert Paul Weston. Really fun! #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @rachelnseigel I thought that was
epistolary--book written in letters, very. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone I wonder if Carl Hiaasen would write a
mid-grade novel. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KarenninaPosa Hi everyone! Late tonight, but will try to
catch up. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelgrinti I'd like to find such assignments
(page counts) and personally destroy each one. How inane to teach more is
better. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters Kind of remembered that after I
asked. ;-) I was thinking of one of the letters that rhymed. :-) #mglitchat
-9:23 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks Verse novels are not always easy or for reluctant
readers. The white space is what's not said, what happens off the page.
#mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss @hatbooks True but as I wrote, she's recently
pubbed adult novel in verse. Her art and voice expands in multi-directions
<g> #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @matt_janacone Aren't "Hoot" and
"Flush" and "Chomp" considered to be MG? #mglitchat -9:24
PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop Then there is Andrew Clements's DOGKU, which
tells the story of a lost and found dog in a series of haiku poems. #mglitchat
-9:24 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @ilanawaters Shut the door! I bow down to your
rhyming prowess! epistolary/very?!? @rachelnseigel #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep
20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @PBWorkshop Yes! So frustrating when I'm
helping a kid find a book only to have them disappointed to find it's 90 pages
not 100+ #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KarenninaPosa Must admit I haven't read any MG novels in
verse, so will be scribbling down titles tonight #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 20th,
2012
KristineAsselin Not rhyme, verse: Caroline Starr Rose's May
B, if kids like Laura Ingalls, they'll <3 RT @matt_janacone: Rhyming
mid-garde novel? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss @hatbooks That's the magic-- the poetry that
creates emotions outside the words on the page. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 20th,
2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler With Dr. Seuss you can't go wrong.
I'll look into it 'fore long. :-) [wonder how long I can keep this up? Hee-hee]
#mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KarenninaPosa I've only read one, but I'm also
taking down titles so I can change that! #mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @hatbooks Yes, true. And I also run into kids
resistant because they don't like poetry. (And I avoided verse novels as a kid)
#mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @rachelnseigel With letters rhyming, you'd have
both--verse, epistolary, by my troth! #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters @dianezahler It's a gr8 book! And
the author said if he'd known anything about writing kids' books at the time,
#mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters @dianezahler He'd never have
tried a rhyming book! ;-) #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelgrinti @#$%^@&* (sound of hair being
pulled out in frustration). Often would be better to reread 2 of 50 pagers!
#mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @hatbooks My nephew with a language LD loves
novels in verse. He can't read them on his own. But he connects with them.
#mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose RT @matt_janacone: @ilanawaters Tonight's topis
for #mglitchat is novels in verse. -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Has anyone even read a mid-grade novel with
alot of alliteration? #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @JeanGiardina @rachelnseigel Oh lord, I thought
that rhyme was AWFUL!! Such pairing should be unlawful. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep
20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters @JeanGiardina GROAN!!!!!!
#mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters I'm sure you can keep it going for
days/your prowess with verse won't fail to amaze #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 20th,
2012
ilanawaters @rachelnseigel @dianezahler Harder than it
looks, I think. Enough to make most authors drink! #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep
20th, 2012
PBWorkshop Another #picturebook that qualifies: Won Ton: A
CAT TALE TOLD IN HAIKU be Lee Wardlaw. Delightful story, plenty MG thinking.
#mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose @KarenninaPosa Ditto. I haven't read any.
#mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters @dianezahler Wow1 You're rhyming
prowess does not fail to impress! ;-) #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @dianezahler Yikes! It's contagious! #mglitchat
-9:29 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @rachelnseigel @ilanawaters *pours another
drink* Bring on the rhymes! #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks Kids and esp. teens are more open to verse novels
than adults. Less likely to have preconceived notions; more open to diff forms.
#mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
laurapauling @KristineAsselin I think Sharon Creech has
several mg verse novels. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey i hate when people come late to movies & ask
what's happening. tonight i'm that guy, what's the topic? #mglitchat -9:30 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @roseonprose Our TBR piles will grow tonight,
I'm sure. :) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
lshullinger @ilanawaters @rachelnseigel @dianezahler LOL,
Angela said this was a fun group :-) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
laurapauling @KristineAsselin and Karen Hesse has that
favorite verse novel. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss It's not poetry. It's rhythm and stacatto
entries, making for a powerful read, something that pulls in, pulls out, like
the tide #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @laurapauling I keep meaning to read Love that
Dog! Actually meant to grab it before leaving work but forgot. #mglitchat -9:31
PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis Like picking POV for a story, does a certain
type of story lend itself better to verse than prose? #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep
20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @WriterRoss: Holly-- Loved Marias BECOMING JOE
DiMAGGIO #Mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @lshullinger @ilanawaters @dianezahler I think
we have a good time! :-) #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @hatbooks it could also be that adult novels in verse
tend to be so damn serious, dry #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @delzey Tonight's topic is MG novels in verse!
#mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone I wonder what inspires some author to write
novels in verse. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
laurapauling @rachelgrinti and there's on about a cat too. I
think. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Karen Hesse's OUT OF THE DUST seemed to open the
windows and doors... #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @JeanGiardina LD students sometimes find verse
novels, even sophisticated ones, easier to tackle. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep
20th, 2012
laurapauling @WriterRoss Ah, yes. OUt of the Dust. Loved
that book and the writing! #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Dang! Late again! #MGLitChat -9:32 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler @rachelnseigel Indeed, you both do
flatter me! But you, as well, rhyme quite freely! *giggles* #mglitchat -9:33 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop Me, too! >RT @trkravtin: RT @WriterRoss:
Holly-- Loved Marias BECOMING JOE DiMAGGIO #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss But my HS English teacher-- Mel Glenn-- wrote in
this form many years ago as well. ("Foreign Exchange") #mglitchat
-9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ilanawaters @dianezahler Oh boy! (Smacks
forehead) #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @hatbooks: Another MG verse novel is Becoming
Joe Dimaggio by Maria Testa. @Candlewick #Mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JoWhittemore I'd also mention Brains for Lunch, a haiku
novel about middle school zombies/chupacabras/humans in school together
#mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @hatbooks I'm glad that you said that. We were
just shocked at his interest. I bought him all the Silverstein books in
hardcover. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @AniProf You've been at this topic before -- I
mentioned our efforts to define poetry vs. verse. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 20th,
2012
PBWorkshop @hatbooks Agree- not just LD, but those who read
well, but slowly- a perfect match. Less threatening. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep
20th, 2012
ilanawaters @lshullinger @rachelnseigel @dianezahler No
group has more fun than we. 'Cept maybe #kidlitchat, Tues @ 9 EST! #mglitchat
-9:34 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf BTW, have we discussed the fact that
"verse" is not the same as "poetry"? #MGLitChat -9:34 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @WriterRoss I worked for Clarion when they 1st
published him in the 80s. No one knew what to make of it. #mglitchat -9:34 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @JoWhittemore That sounds like a fun book!
#mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Try James Howe's "Addie on the Inside"
for great MG verse novel #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters I think we should stop this writing
in verse/they'll put us away if we get any worse! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 20th,
2012
AniProf @dianezahler Thanks! #MGLitChat -9:35 PM Sep 20th,
2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss I loved Addie! #mglitchat -9:35 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @AniProf I was wondering about that re: verse
vs. poetry #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @laurapauling HATE THAT CAT is the same MC voice
continuing the next year with same teacher. Terrific! #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep
20th, 2012
roseonprose So... What is THE mg verse book to read? The one
that is most often recommended? (If there is one) #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th,
2012
delzey @AniProf let's discuss those differences, because
when verse looks like poetry, looks like "work," it becomes a
turn-off #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss @dianezahler Hah! I am dating myself but I
graduated in '78. I was sad to learn after the fact he was a writer. #mglitchat
-9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @matt_janacone Verse can enable author to get close
to emotions of MC, distill the story. Not rhyming text, but free verse.
#mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti Someone asked earlier what makes a writer
choose to write their novel in verse. Any thoughts? Ideas on what type of story
works? #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf "Writing in prose is bad enough, but it could
be verse." #MGLitChat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler All right, all right; will stop for
now. But it sure has been fun--and how! #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KarenninaPosa RT @roseonprose: So... What is THE mg verse
book to read? The one that is most often recommended? (If there is one)
#mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler Also, everyone seems to be having
an actual conversation about verse. We should probably join that. #mglitchat
-9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Do we tend to read faster when we read verse?
Would it inspire kids to read? #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf We discussed this in my chat group, #Poetry4Kids ...
#MGLitChat -9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @roseonprose Well, Out of the Dust won the
Newbery... #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
ilanawaters @AniProf Yes--and you missed all my rhyming
tweets about it! #shameful #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KarenninaPosa @roseonprose May B came up a lot
tonight #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Verse refers to text arranged in stanzas, with a
sparsity of words. #MGLitChat -9:37 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss I think it doesn't look like "work." I
think verse novels capture a mood and the character in ways traditional novels
cannot #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Poetry is verse where other issues, such as rhyme,
alliteration, assonance, etc, come into play. #MGLitChat -9:37 PM Sep 20th,
2012
delzey @dianezahler does that make it the benchmark? i'd be
curious to know what the FIRST mg book in verse was #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep
20th, 2012
AniProf Poetry = verse/prose plus poetic elements #MGLitChat
-9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose @dianezahler Thanks! Will look into it.
#mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin I think you're right. RT @laurapauling:
@KristineAsselin I think Sharon Creech has several mg verse novels. #mglitchat
-9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @roseonprose Helen Frost's HIdden and Crossing
Stones are excellent. Inside Out and Back Again was big winner last year.
#mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss A friend, Kim Marcus, wrote a hauntingly powerful
YA novel-- EXPOSED-- that I think works better BECAUSE it's in rhythmic prose.
#mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @WriterRoss ah, but by the time kids hit books in
verse they've had poetry taught in a way that it becomes analysis, e.g no fun
#mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @delzey In a verse novel, the poetry serves the
plot and characters. Poetry works in tandem with story. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep
20th, 2012
matt_janacone @roseonprose Weight of Water by Sarah
Grossman. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 20th, 2012
mikegrinti @delzey Would there be an obvious first? So much
of oral tradition was poem or song already... maybe no clear line? #mglitchat
-9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose @PBWorkshop Thanks! My TBR pile is growing!!
#mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @matt_janacone IMO novel/verse encourages slowing
down, reading thoughtfully, yet finishing in a timely way. Love line breaks.
#mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin I've always been nervous verse would pull me
out of the story. Haven't given it a chance. Thanks for all the titles here
tonight. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @WriterRoss boys in particular tend to get the notion
that serious poetry = boring and get turned off #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th,
2012
WriterRoss I'd say: don't analyze. Read. <g>
#mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf @delzey Oh there's tons of poetry out there that
kids can love and have fun with. #MGLitChat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
christieyant RT @rachelgrinti: Welcome to tonight's chat,
everyone! I'm excited about today's topic: MG novels in verse! #mglitchat -9:39
PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose RT @matt_janacone: @roseonprose Weight of Water
by Sarah Grossman. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @mikegrinti true, but we don't have a history of MG
novels as such before ww2 #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
roseonprose @matt_janacone TY Matt! #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep
20th, 2012
JeanGiardina RT @WriterRoss: I'd say: don't analyze. Read.
<g> #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @PBWorkshop I'd love to hear how authors choose
their line breaks in verse novels. Some seem arbitrary to me. #mglitchat -9:40
PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @WriterRoss: I'd say: don't analyze. Read.
<g> #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Verse and prose are forms. Poetry, novel, history,
etc., are purposes. #MGLitChat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop You betcha! RT @WriterRoss: Id say: dont analyze.
Read. <g> #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
trkravtin RT @WriterRoss: Id say: dont analyze. Read.
<g> #Mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss And what kid wouldn't be pulled into Virginia
Euwer Wolff's MAKE LEMONADE? A classic novel. Told in verse. #mglitchat -9:41
PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @delzey Love that Dog is about a boy who thinks
just that about poetry - what's the point, boring, etc. Book is his free verse
#mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf http://t.co/ennp7Jev #MGLitChat -9:41 PM Sep 20th,
2012
JoWhittemore @rachelgrinti It's very funny and clever
wordplay humor. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
mikegrinti @delzey I guess that's true. Would just have to
find the first "official" mg novel. But verse for kids is pretty old.
#mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @AniProf Where does genre fit in there?
#mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KristineAsselin Stop back and tell us if we
changed your mind after reading! #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @AniProf yes, true, but once the shift in reading (in
schools) goes from fun to analysis the joy of poetry/verse is bled out
#mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @PBWorkshop @matt_janacone As someone who
agonizes over new paragraph starts, I love, love, love the beautiful line
breaks. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KristineAsselin I thought that too. But book
club read HIDDEN and it surprised me. Not what I expected at all in a good way.
#mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 20th, 2012
mikegrinti @delzey I think the same can be said for reading
in general. Do you think poetry takes MORE of a hit than prose? #mglitchat
-9:42 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JoKnowles RT @trkravtin: RT @WriterRoss: Id say: dont
analyze. Read. <g> #Mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf @delzey Can be bled out, unless we authors bring
poetry into our works in a way that's enjoyable. #MGLitChat -9:42 PM Sep 20th,
2012
delzey @rachelgrinti yes, it deals directly with the problem
of novels in verse for boys... but what else out there is like that? #mglitchat
-9:42 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin @PBWorkshop I will--got to figure out what
to read first! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @rachelgrinti i mean, when a reader is jazzed by that
novel where do they go from there? #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf @dianezahler Genre relates to a work's theme.
Science Fiction, Fantasy, Horror, etc. #MGLitChat -9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @delzey @rachelgrinti There was a sequel-
"Hate that Cat". #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @mikegrinti yes. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @AniProf Billy Collins is my favorite poet of
all time. Can you recommend anyone who matches his ability? #mglitchat -9:43 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @dianezahler Line is key to poetry; line breaks in
verse novels are so important. Some writers great with line breaks, some not.
#mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KDuBayGillis Wasn't Hidden amazing? #mglitchat
-9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @delzey To the verse novels that deal with
whatever topic they're interested in? #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KristineAsselin Yes--the only verse novel I've read! RT
@KDuBayGillis: @KarenninaPosa @roseonprose May B came up a lot tonight
#mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @rachelnseigel true enough, but two is not enough,
there needs to be more that brings those readers deeper into the fold
#mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @PBWorkshop Yes...but I need to go back and
read the AMAZING part where you read the last line. I totally missed that! Oy!
#mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @AniProf LOVE Billy Collins. Everything I've
ever read of his. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone I'd like to invite all of you to my kids blog
http://t.co/AcIfVxAz Let me know what you think. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 20th,
2012
hatbooks @WriterRoss Actually V.E.Wolff says her books are
not so much written in verse but more in broken prose to seem more natural.
#mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelnseigel @delzey Absolutely true- but to a publisher,
form has to gain traction to publish more! #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf How to Eat a Poem, http://t.co/ZrZ9X0dF #MGLitChat
-9:45 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @delzey If the format itself proves to be
satisfying, a portal to enjoying reading, just finding other verse novels could
hook. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @JeanGiardina Billy Collins needs to write a verse
novel. : ) #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf "Oranges" by Gary Soto
http://t.co/Qd81CLwC #MGLitChat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss I think readers turned on by spare language,
punch/power in plot, more emotional than heavy action.. the "verse"
novel is ideal. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @AniProf My all time favorite poem! Happy you
shared it. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina RT @AniProf: How to Eat a Poem,
http://t.co/ZrZ9X0dF #MGLitChat -9:46 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @hatbooks YES! I would buy one for every person
I know! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti So is anyone here planning to write a novel in
verse at some point? #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Broken prose. @hatbooks I like that image.
#mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @AniProf This is the actual poem from which the
title comes: http://t.co/h0HbolB7 #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @AniProf Gary Soto's poem Oranges and others of his
were key influences for developing my own style of writing narrative verse.
#mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf I'm working on a play in iambic pentameter.
#MGLitChat -9:48 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @rachelgrinti currently working on one... #mglitchat
-9:48 PM Sep 20th, 2012
readjennymartin @roseonprose The One and Only Ivan.
#mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 20th, 2012
dianezahler @rachelgrinti I would never say never,
but...probably never. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Delicious! RT @PBWorkshop: @AniProf This is the
actual poem from which the title comes: http://t.co/92CFHuju #MGLitChat -9:49
PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop Verse novels (like poetry) require more
inferencing, investment, reader responsibility than very explicit prose- a good
thing! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @WriterRoss But beware that most verse novelists
are offended if their writing is referred to as broken prose! #mglitchat -9:50
PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @dianezahler @rachelgrinti HA! #mglitchat -9:50
PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @delzey Neat! Good luck with it Any tips you've
learned so far? #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @readjennymartin I've been waiting the whole chat
to see if anyone would mention Ivan... A pure example. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep
20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @dianezahler That's what I thought for a while,
but I've been reading more of them and thinking... someday, I'm going to try.
#mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf "Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats" by
T.S. Eliot is great for kids. #MGLitChat -9:51 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf @hatbooks But broken prose it often is, true?
#MGLitChat -9:51 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @rachelgrinti this is a tough sell, a kid doesn't
finish FLAT STANLEY and then move on to HARRY POTTER they need small steps...
#mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @WriterRoss Verse writing is more than just
taking a paragraph and breaking it into lines. Phrasing, omitting are key.
#mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone In a book store, you'll always find me in the
children's section. I love children's books! :) #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 20th,
2012
KDuBayGillis @PBWorkshop @readjennymartin Came up once
tonight. I'm reading now with my son. Definitely holds his interest. #mglitchat
-9:52 PM Sep 20th, 2012
CandycaneClaus RT @hatbooks: @WriterRoss But beware that
most verse novelists are offended if their writing is referred to as broken
prose! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 20th, 2012
CandycaneClaus RT @AniProf: "Old Possum's Book of
Practical Cats" by T.S. Eliot is great for kids. #MGLitChat -9:52 PM Sep
20th, 2012
hatbooks @AniProf The best verse novels are definitely far
more than broken prose. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WodkeHawkinson RT @AniProf: "Old Possum's Book of
Practical Cats" by T.S. Eliot is great for kids. #MGLitChat -9:53 PM Sep
20th, 2012
AniProf @PBWorkshop GOOD verse novels is more than turning
paragraphs into stanzas. But not all verse novels are good. #MGLitChat -9:53 PM
Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @rachelgrinti tips? plot like a novel, keep images
concrete, show-don't-tell when it comes to emotions, all the usual apply
#mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone I also love moments like this. To see children
smile is what it's all about. #mglitchat http://t.co/d97qkPPh -9:54 PM Sep
20th, 2012
JeanGiardina @rachelgrinti Just writing prose is making my
eyes bleed. I'll leave verse to the experts. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis Someone mentioned they are doing a novel in
verse Highlights workshop. Who's going to that? #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 20th,
2012
delzey "broken prose" i think sometimes this is an
appropriate description of a book in verse that isn't working. they're out
there #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 20th, 2012
CandycaneClaus RT @matt_janacone: I also love moments like
this. To see children smile is what it's all about. #mglitchat
http://t.co/d97qkPPh -9:56 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @readjennymartin @pbworkshop I'm having a hard
time as a read aloud. I get too choked up and my son knows I'm about to cry!
#mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss Let's just say I think the poetry-- the line
breaks, the voice, the rhythm- should be integral and organic to the format of
story #mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @WriterRoss agreed. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Sep 20th,
2012
WriterRoss @KDuBayGillis (pointing to self) #mglitchat -9:58
PM Sep 20th, 2012
matt_janacone Pleasure to be with you all tonight :)
#mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf @WriterRoss But a novels rhythm is different from a
poem's rhythm. #MGLitChat -9:59 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @WriterRoss You'll have to come back and share
what you learned! #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina My novels in verse tbr pile exploded by 20
books tonight. Thank you all. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 20th, 2012
hatbooks @KDuBayGillis No, but attended Sonya Sones' wkshp
at SCBWI LA=excellent! AWP Conf will have 2 panels re. writing in verse 3/2013.
#mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 20th, 2012
WriterRoss @AniProf It's a beautiful marriage of both forms.
{} #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti Thanks again all for another great chat!
#mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @hatbooks Love Sonya Sones! I'm sure that was a
great workshop! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelgrinti Thanks for a great job hosting!
And thanks to everyone for sharing great insights! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep
20th, 2012
PBWorkshop @KDuBayGillis @readjennymartin Don't see that as
a bad thing. Reading aloud with a breaking heart is a sure sign of honesty.
#mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
JeanGiardina *goes back to reading Billy Collins poems on
the series of tubes* #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
AniProf Till next week, and don't forget, #Poetry4Kids, Wed,
8-9pm EDT. #MGLitChat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
lshullinger @rachelgrinti Was interesting and lots of fun!
Thanks! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
delzey @dianezahler i said "never" once... and one
day it just sort of... evolved! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
rachelgrinti @lshullinger Thanks for joining us! #mglitchat
-10:01 PM Sep 20th, 2012
KDuBayGillis Next week's topic is complex language in MG.
See you then! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Sep 20th, 2012
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