rachelnseigel Hi everybody! It's time for another #Mglitchat Tonight we're talking about using profanity in Middle Grade Fiction! -9:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat My co-hostess @KDuBayGillis have been thinking up curses all day long! -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @KDuBayGillis I resemble that remark! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel Hooray! Our fab co-hostess has kicked the party off! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel Oh shit! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone Profanity. My favorite subject. #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel I'll be swearing up a storm when I try to do the transcript tonight. Ha! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Very cool! I'll check it out! Is it called MG sci-fi/fantasy? #Mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @AniProf I think you need to change your name to Shecky Greene! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat to start things off, for those of you who write MG, do you allow your characters to swear? For readers, does swearing bother u? -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel Yes! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders My perception: As kids, a disproportional number of MG writers were rule-following, anti-cussing teacher's pet types. #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders Fuck, maybe I meant disproportionate, but you get it. #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @MelissaRoske I get no respect! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @AniProf That's Rodney Dangerfield, damn it! #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen I'm here! I'm here! Whad' I miss?? #mglitchat :-) -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone As a writer: I don't let my characters swear. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @rhondasaunders You hit that nut on the nub. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat and not to be the teacher's pet type, but let's keep the real profanity to a minimum tonight please! -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @rhondasaunders Except for you, it appears. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders I'll be keeping an F-bomb tally for this #mglitchat. :) -9:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf Q: Why are some folks so afraid of cursing in MG lit? #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders That was me...totally no swearing as a kid. At all. I was the class ethics monitor. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone As a reader: I don't like to read MG characters swearing. But, everything else is fair game. Myself, I swear like a sailor. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @anglarsen ;-P #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @anglarsen Welcome! We're just getting started! talking about profanity in MG. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso I will be my usual circumspect self: I hate profanity in MG, and my characters say nothing more scandalous than heck. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel I do allow my characters to swear. I look at it as part of writing authentic dialogue. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @MGMafioso I just wanted to make @kdubaygillis uneasy to start things off. I went to school with her, cough-cough. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders #mglitchat I wasn't allowed to swear at home, and just never did much. Was shocked when I went 2 camp! -9:05 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @AniProf Not afraid. If it fits the story, no problem but it usually takes me out of the story--knocks me out of it, actually. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @rachelnseigel So far I've stuck to "crap" or similar and anything else is limited to "they cursed/swore/whatever." #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KateMilford I don't remember swearing in Boneshaker, but maybe I didn't notice. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @MGMafioso I'm on the same page - "darn" is about as nasty as it gets! #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @AniProf I think it's about gatekeepers, more than anything. MGers are given books by teachers/librarians/parents #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf I was a nice, little Catholic boy, and didn't start swearing till college. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel I don't believe in gratuitous swearing, and I don't usually let the young characters do it generally. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Mike_Jung I swear a blue streak (less now that I have kids), but I didn't include any in my 1st book - it didn't feel necessary. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske I make words up - words that sound swearish, but they're not. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @rachelnseigel And I bet your parents paid good money for that! #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria Is this the topic for tonight? Profanity in MG? I'm categorically against it. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel AHA! There were several instances. Mostly the bad guys, as it happened. :) #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @elliefalcone I think it depends on the character and the nature of the story. Upper MG...#mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower "I'll be damned if I'll go to dancing school."—Harriet M. Welsch #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @AniProf You're absolved, my son. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Mike_Jung @rachelnseigel @KateMilford I don't remember swearing in THE BONESHAKER either! Was there any? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @MelissaRoske Making fake swears sound real is sooo hard but so awesome when it works! :D #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti & we were asked to remove all instances of characters saying "crap" -- apparently worse in UK? It didn't bother me to take out. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rhondasaunders They did! LOL! I think they were happier not knowing what my brother and I learned there! #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @MelissaRoske That's a great idea! #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws Agreed RT @mikegrinti: @MelissaRoske Making fake swears sound real is sooo hard but so awesome when it works! :D #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen Thx for mentioning "crap" I always thought it was a cuss word. NO? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @mikegrinti Totally agree. I keep a list of fake swear words. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone I didn't grow up in a house that swore. To this day, my mother only says sh*t. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KateMilford #mglitchat Wow! I'm totally dense! I guess unless it's gratuitous it doesn't jump out at me. -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria The consensus seems to be: no real swearing. But it's interesting to think why we're tending in this direction... #mglitchat -9:07 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel I think that's the goal, though. If character/situation merit it, it won't stick out/pull you out of narrative. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @MGMafioso I'd love to take credit for it, but the practice is fairly common. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Mike_Jung @rachelgrinti Interesting! I use "crap" a LOT - I was asked to remove some instances, but only because of repetition. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @rachelgrinti Crap is not really a swear word. It derives from the surname, Crapper, the guy who was associated with the toilet. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti Swearing can be a crutch for showing emotion in dialog. Like everything, have to do it right. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @rachelnseigel I cuss as an art form in real life, but find it gets distracting if used too much in MG. Time & place selective. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @anglarsen #mglitchat I don't see that as a swear word. But my BF's family wouldn't even let him & his siblings use words like crap. -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders @MGMafioso She totally knows of my goody-goody reputation in grade school. I was awful. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @lisabrowndraws @mikegrinti @MelissaRoske Yes, exclamations and exhalations done in a fun way can be very effective. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen fake swear words! awesome! examples? #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @KDuBayGillis Upper MG seems more appropriate to start toying with some words. Situation is everything though. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders If it lends to authenticity, it shouldn't even be memorable. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel As I admitted to @kdubaygillis yesterday, though, I did get called out for it in The Broken Lands by a beta reader #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat Writers: Do your editors have issues with swearing in your MG novels? -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @mikegrinti You're so right. It can be a cheap way out. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @Mike_Jung Yeah, I didn't think anything of using it! #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf If swearing is natural, a true part of a characters persona, then go for it. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KateMilford @KDuBayGillis #mglitchat it's always fascinating what someone is going to notice! -9:09 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @KateMilford @rachelnseigel But is "authentic dialogue" the driving consideration when it comes to MG lit? #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel Nope. Never. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel RT @kingdomofpatria: @KateMilford @rachelnseigel But is "authentic dialogue" the driving consideration when it comes to MG lit? #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws We should also be aware that a lot of kids reading MG are pretty darn young. Like 2nd & 3rd graders. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @KateMilford How profane do you get? I don't think I've come across MG writers dropping the f-bomb. As opposed to YA. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KateMilford You have a very liberal editor! #mglitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower A character in Jenn Reese's ABOVE WORLD says, "Crabs and krill." #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @kingdomofpatria It's one of them, I think. I think authentic dialogue is always important. Kids know. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @kingdomofpatria No really, because for some, MG lit us meant to "educate". #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @lisabrowndraws That's an excellent point, since readers like to "read up." #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @rachelnseigel my characters don't swear b/c I don't want to distract. I might write so and so "swore" but not the actual word #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws It's a balance between authentic, prissy, and gratuitous. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @rachelnseigel That's just a personal preference. I try not to speak for other writers. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford Agreed, in a strict-realistic setting. But... it can still work w/o swearing. It does make things harder. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @MGMafioso I've never gone there. Damns and hells and the occasional excrementally-themed swears. And not a lot of them, btw. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso Well said! RT @lisabrowndraws We should also be aware that a lot of kids reading MG are pretty darn young. Like 2nd & 3rd graders #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf Yes! RT @lisabrowndraws: Its a balance between authentic, prissy, and gratuitous. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel RT @lisabrowndraws: It's a balance between authentic, prissy, and gratuitous. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders Hannah Moskowitz said today that in her forthcoming MG, she uses FAGGOT. What are your thoughts on faggot? #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen RT @lisabrowndraws: We should also be aware that a lot of kids reading MG are pretty darn young. Like 2nd & 3rd graders. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @anglarsen That's what I do when I want to allude to the younger characters swearing. I just say they muttered a curse. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske I personally find swear words display a certain lack of imagination. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower When I was a kid, to say something "sucked" was considered profanity, at least by my mom. Nowadays, not so much! #MGlitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @rhondasaunders A faggot us a cigarette, yes? #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat do we have any booksellers/librarians/educators participating tonight? What is your take on swearing in MGlit? -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @mikegrinti I don't think it's harder to write either way. I try and choose very carefully when I use them. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws For sure OK. Creative cursing is fun. RT @rachelnseigel: Do they know that you're swearing even if u substitute #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @KateMilford I understand kids know about profanity, but why should writers mirror it back to them at their age? #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf True! RT @MelissaRoske: I personally find swear words display a certain lack of imagination. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen There's nothing like a restriction to force creativity...so "no swearing" can be a benefit #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @_TimothyPower Yeah, "sucked" was verboten in our house, too. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rhondasaunders Unless she meant a bundle of sticks, that is deeply offensive. DEEPLY. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @rhondasaunders HM pushes the envelope. I think faggot is too much; gay as a pejorative (as used in Middle school) is hard enough #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly I'm a teacher as well as a writer. My characters don't swear, but I don't think that means they sound inauthentic or prissy. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower @rhondasaunders That is VERBOTEN for me. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Mike_Jung @_TimothyPower People of older generations object to "sucks" more, I think. I use it a LOT, though, & my editor doesn't object. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @MelissaRoske Excellent point! I agree. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford I should clarify--I don't have characters that swear blue streaks or anything. I just don't have a personal rule against it. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf OK, let's get down and dirty. Thoughts on "mother fucker"? #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kristinlgray @anglarsen #mglitchat The school librarian in @SaraLewisHolmes's OPERATION YES swears book titles, like Frog & Toad. Hilarious! -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders Don't care for that word. Reading SEE YOU AT HARRY'S and it's in there as faggotpants which made me laugh/squirm. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly I do think that the more explicit language you include, the more you'll limit your audience #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @MelissaRoske I don't know, I've seen some pretty creative swearing. LOL By adults of course. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws A little gentle cursing is transgressively fun for kids to read. As long as they realize it has its place. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders I don't know the context in which Moskowitz uses it. And context is everything. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss There are creative ways around swearing - I'm in the avoid at all costs camp! tho diff cultures have diff acceptable word usage #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower I like to think MG characters are above YA trash talk! #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen RT @aniprof: True! RT @MelissaRoske: I personally find swear words display a certain lack of imagination. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rhondasaunders #mglitchat depends on context- as long as character using it is reprimanded. -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KarenninaPosa Hi everyone! So we're swearing tonight, are we? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone Do you all consider damn and piss swear words? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Mike_Jung @AniProf I wouldn't use that for MG. YA, absolutely, but not MG. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @elliefalcone I don't mind creative swearing, but if it's used in a cruel or offensive way, I don't like it. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly And I forgot the hashtag again... 3rd times the charm... not swearing doesn't mean inauthentic or prissy #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower @AniProf You have got to be kidding! #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @kingdomofpatria It's not a question of encouraging it. Like I said, I just don't have hard rules against. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat expanding the zone a bit, I've had customers complain when stupid/dumb is used. -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws Damn def raises hackles in some communities. RT @elliefalcone: Do you all consider damn and piss swear words? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders No, we're not. I tried that. You'll get in trouble! #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel @rhondasaunders Which is the case in SEE YOU AT HARRY'S ...character told not funny/mean. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws You can't please everyone. RT @rachelnseigel: #mglitchat expanding the zone a bit, I've had customers complain when stupid/dumb is used. -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @Mike_Jung why not MF? #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kristinlgray @MGMafioso @lisabrowndraws Agree with you both. My older first grader reads MG. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Lotsabushies RT @MelissaRoske: I personally find swear words display a certain lack of imagination. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ruth_donnelly #mglitchat I agree- I don't think there's anything wrong with kids who don't have potty mouths. A lot of kids don't. -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen Me, too! RT @katemilford: @_TimothyPower Yeah, "sucked" was verboten in our house, too. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @_TimothyPower I'm merely trying to see where the line is drawn. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @lisabrowndraws #Mglitchat nope- never will! -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @MelissaRoske You're right. When it turns cruel, that's a different ball game. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @rachelnseigel I've met lots of parents who won't buy PBs that use stupid. Haven't run into that w/ MG yet. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @Mike_Jung @aniprof Yeah, that's about a mile and a half outside even my comfort zone. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws That's so stupid. RT @rachelgrinti: @rachelnseigel I've met lots of parents who won't buy PBs that use stupid. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @Lotsabushies The irony is that I went to a progressive school where swearing was practically encouraged! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @KateMilford Exactly! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower I could see an MG character getting away with blurting "Holy shit!" in the way Eliza Doolittle says "bloody" in Pygmalion. #MGlitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @lisabrowndraws @rachelgrinti LOL! I think it's part of that "bubble" parenting thing. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf "Douche bag"? #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @lisabrowndraws Snicker. So effing stupid. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford Agreed! I don't write it, but there are situations where it's at least worth considering. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 RT @lisabrowndraws: A little gentle cursing is transgressively fun for kids to read. As long as they realize it has its place. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @elliefalcone @MelissaRoske Absolutely! #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @KateMilford @Mike_Jung @AniProf Mine too. No mfs for me. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws Oh, sugar. Gotta go put my freaking kid to bed. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @elliefalcone Exactly! Ugliness in language is just plain... ugly. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria I think the larger and more interesting question here is how much of the grittiness of contemporary culture is appropriate for MG #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @KateMilford Ah, sneaking in a curse. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly The question could be, what do you want your eight-year-old reading? #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @AniProf Here's the thing. I think the problem with both of those examples is that if kids look at the etymology, they're charged #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @kingdomofpatria I don't think I'm comfortable with a hard limit of "never x in MG"... depends on the book. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KristineAsselin lurking in... #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @_TimothyPower Pygmalion is not MG. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf Sugar honey iced tea! #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @aniprof 2/2 in an invasive or sexual way. That's where I think you cross the line. Unless that's The Point. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat Those of you who are ok with swearing, do you have a place (or word) where you draw the line? -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel @lisabrowndraws @rachelgrinti I'll admit it, I change it "stupid" to "silly" when I read PBs to my kids. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @kingdomofpatria I think it depends on setting. A novel set on a farm is less gritty than an urban tale, obviously. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @AniProf Douche bag is a middle school word, old for majority of mg readers #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf H E double hockey sticks! #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @AniProf That's more like it: sugar honey iced tea! #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KristineAsselin How do you find creative ways to "show" cursing, without actually cursing... #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @MGMafioso Why old? #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @MGMafioso people still use that word? It sounds so old skool. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @mikegrinti I suppose I could see it in an MG if the swearing is made morally thematic, like the F word in Catcher in the Rye. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws What sounds fine for a teen to say out loud can loud ugly coming out of an 8 or 9 yr old's mouth. #mglitchat #thatsucksmom -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss Some don't consider a word offensive when others do. Same with dubious colloquialisms that are funny, (ie: a lot of Brit slang) #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower @kingdomofpatria The social circle Eliza is speaking to in that scene is just as much restrictive of language as an MG pub. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @ruth_donnelly That is my test for my own work. How would I keep my kids from cursing if they read it in my work? #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws RT @lisabrowndraws: What sounds fine for a teen to say out loud can SOUND ugly coming out of an 8 or 9 yr old's mouth. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @rachelnseigel I don't object to language that reflects an explosive emotional response; I avoid sexually charged/invasive lang. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @kingdomofpatria I don't dismiss the authenticity argument. It's a strong choice, and a defensible one, though challenging. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel @lisabrowndraws @rachelgrinti I avoid that word where I can with my kids. If that's a bubble, fine. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske RT @lisabrowndraws: What sounds fine for a teen to say out loud can loud ugly coming out of an 8 or 9 yr olds mouth. #mglitchat #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso Douche bag? It's made a comback RT MelissaRoske @MGMafioso people still use that word? It sounds so old skool. #mglitchat #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @MelissaRoske So what about an urban tale? Should it have F-bombs, sexting, porn, etc.? And if so, on what justification? #mglitchat -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kurtisscaletta Effin' A, it's not too late for #mglitchat! How the effin' h y'all doin? Oh, and what's tonight's topic? -9:21 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders Damn, hell, christ, ass, and piss.These are acceptable to me in upper MG, depending on context (as a writer and a parent of mg). #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @kingdomofpatria Should? No. May? Yes, if that's the story you want to tell. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske Some people even refer to "fat" as the F-word, so it's all relative. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore #mglitchat words seem 2 take on different meanings now- when I was a kid, if you said something was gay/retarded it meant dumb -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JoWhittemore @rachelnseigel I know "retard/retarded" is highly frowned upon, when it used to be popular back in the day. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel Yep, not judging the decision. :) Just shows that word choices have an effect. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders Also, fake F bombs are fine with me. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @_TimothyPower Perhaps, but my point is that the audience of Shaw's play and of the musical made from it is an adult audience. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone Kids should hold onto that sweet innocence as long as they can. They have a whole life to do adult things like swearing. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @kellandrewsPA But see, that's great. You can make that choice. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws I don't think "F-bombs" are exclusive to urbanity. @kingdomofpatria @MelissaRoske #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @lisabrowndraws I agree with this. I really hate hearing "whatever" coming from my 7 yo, although it isn't swearing. It's ugly. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JoWhittemore @rachelnseigel Exactly. And thanks for fixing my hashtag! :) #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @kingdomofpatria Absolutely not, but the atmosphere is naturally grittier. And, if it's NYC, dirtier! :) #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @lisabrowndraws How about the replacement cuss words, like "shiitake", "son of a beach", "mother trucker", "Oh sheet!" OK or not? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @kurtisscaletta Ha-freaking-ha #mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @MGMafioso @AniProf That's not really a swear word but it's offensive.#mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @kellandrewsPA @lisabrowndraws @rachelgrinti #mglitchat fair enough- as a parent, u choose what you want your kids exposed 2. -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske RT @elliefalcone: Kids should hold onto that sweet innocence as long as they can. <-- YES! #mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower @kingdomofpatria Clearly I understand that! :-) I do not make a Shaw reference out of ignorance of his work. #MGlitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @mikegrinti Why should a story filled with such items be appropriate for an MG audience? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss When did Shut The... Front Door sneak into the culture of weird ways of sneaking in cursing on TV? #MGLITCHAT -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti Some kids don't like to read swearing. Others--my 13 year old brother has had the biggest potty mouth in family for years now. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws Those are just lame. :) RT @coachhays64: How about replacement words, like "shiitake", "son of a beach", "mother trucker" OK? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore #mglitchat I will still use those words in the context I knew them in personal conversation. -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @kingdomofpatria F-bombs, sexting, porn, etc would make it YA for me. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf Here's thw thing ... For MG kids, 6-12, MC might be 13 or higher. And those kids curse, but ... 6-12 year olds should not, true? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone You guys see the new oreo commercial where the family uses substitute words. Shut the front door is my favorite. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @MelissaRoske @elliefalcone #mglitchat seems to be getting younger and younger that they lose it. -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @lisabrowndraws I didn't mean that at all!. Sorry if I was unclear. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @kingdomofpatria Why not? It could speak to some kids. Not to others. That's how things go. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @MelissaRoske OK, true enough. But then you're drawing a moral line, as I would, for MG fiction. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss #mglitchat I know! Suddenly I'm hearing that everywhere! -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws I tease. I'm a teaser. RT @MelissaRoske: @lisabrowndraws I didn't mean that at all!. Sorry if I was unclear. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JoWhittemore Can usually get away with cursing if just starting the phrase/word "Son of a...", "What the..." #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen RT @MelissaRoske: RT @elliefalcone: Kids should hold onto that sweet innocence as long as they can. <-- YES! #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower When a kid would curse in class I would say "That word does not need a modifier!" #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @kingdomofpatria @mikegrinti You listed a lotta stuff that's not necessarily relevant to MG'ers. So...maybe that's not a MG book. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel @elliefalcone Yes, and it's so sad. I see it in my own tween and her tweenage friends. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @WriterRoss I don't know, but I love that commercial. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore #mglitchat so you just substitute the ... for the actual curse word? -9:25 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @WriterRoss Shut the front door makes me giggle...but I won't put it in my book #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford Let's not forget that there's a difference between a carefully chosen usage and a book full of swears. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kurtisscaletta I never needed to swear in a book. I do have coarse characters, but I just say "he swore," or "he said a bad word." It works. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss I could have sworn (ha, pun unintended) I heard first on an episodic show... like.. Glee... perhaps? After that, in ads.. #MGLITCHAT -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske For what it's worth, my 12-year-old curses less than I do. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower Would MGers understand %#@*! ? #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lisabrowndraws It's hard because of the desire of kids to "read up" but if the voice is authentic it could be inappropriate. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders This discussion makes me want to write for kids who live in an impropper world. But maybe it's the wine. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @KDuBayGillis I love Oreo cookies because their birthday is my birthday. ;> #MGLITCHAT -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford Also let's not forget we're trying to draw lines as adults, not thinking about what kids are just as happy to have us leave out. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JoWhittemore @rachelnseigel It slips out. You can't help it! Part of growing up 80s. I also still use "grotty" and "tool". #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @_TimothyPower #mglitchat I think so- if they ever read comics! -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @_TimothyPower If they've read comic books, yes. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss one word can be offensive in one culture and not another eg: hell is used freely where I come from but not so much in the U.S.A. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kurtisscaletta It can be a good source of humor to navigate AROUND a swear. For example, I've had kids use "fuzzy" in place of the other F word. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford I'm just not discounting the possibility of a book with some of those things being relevant. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @_TimothyPower That's a clever option! You find it all the time in Tintin and I think it's perfectly appropriate. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JoWhittemore @rachelnseigel Or a hyphen, as if the character's cutting himself/herself off. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford It's not like MG-aged kids don't see that side of life. Your world doesn't suddenly turn gritty at 13. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford All by way of saying, context is everything. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @kingdomofpatria I think you're right about the moral line. It's hard not to bring your own set of standards to the table. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore #mglitchat Tool doesn't really bug me. I don't like swear words that r slang 4 parts of female anatomy. -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss I don't think swearing in adult books; even less in MG or YA - and when you see it avoided cleverly it's impressive #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel RT @KateMilford: All by way of saying, context is everything. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf But isn't the use if swearing in MG a sign of lazy writing? #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @mikegrinti There's always the possibility, but that list is more likely going to be relevant to a kid closer to the YA range. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rhondasaunders Judy. She's a baaaaad influence. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @PippaBayliss Yes, absolutely. Some words that would make me blush here are used freely in the UK. Tw*t comes to mind... #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @AniProf Not necessarily. Think of that person who never swears, and then suddenly DOES. Packs a huge punch. For example. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone RT @KateMilford: All by way of saying, context is everything. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss RT to EDIT : I don't LIKE swearing in adult books; even less in MG or YA - and when you see it avoided cleverly its impressive #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford Maybe, but if a writer wants to talk to the MGers that are there already... ok. Strong choice. I respect that. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat what are some of the substitutions you all make for swords? (Other than the ones we've mentioned) -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kurtisscaletta So did I miss the examples? I never see swearing in middle grade novels other than mild oaths. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @AniProf RT But isn't the use if swearing in MG a sign of lazy writing? --> In all comes back to creativity, doesn't it? #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @KateMilford I don't think context of story is everything; I think the age-level of the audience is more important consideration. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat sorry- that should have been swear words. -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @rachelnseigel True, true. I can't even comfortably use those female-centric words when speaking. Feels condescending. #MGLITCHAT -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss @MelissaRoske yes! and some of those Britishisms are hilarious but have bad meanings ;) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf @KateMilford Only if it's written well. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss #mglitchat it just seems mean- no matter how it's being used. -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KateMilford @AniProf That was me as an MGer. Transition can be part of story arc/character transition. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @mikegrinti Agreed, but by and large, those things will cause a publisher/bookseller to categorize that bk as YA. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Bec_AS +1 @PippaBayliss: I dont LIKE swearing in adult books; even less in MG or YA and when you see it avoided cleverly its impressive #MGLitChat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower Profanity in MG unless it's miraculously and hysterically funny would indicate a darker tone than I'm comfortable with. #MGlitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @AniProf And that is precisely my point. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss So I guess I wouldn't write a character like me talking in curse words because it would sound phony, forced, plugged in... #MGLITCHAT -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kurtisscaletta Not yet. Scattered throughout. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf In Britain, to knock one up means ... ? #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rhondasaunders You had me at "wine." #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PippaBayliss @MelissaRoske #mglitchat I read a YA novel where the character was referred to as a SWOT. Such a great Britishism... -9:32 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @Bec_AS @PippaBayliss Nice point! #mglitchat -9:32 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @AniProf .. visiting someone? #MGLITCHAT -9:32 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA Tweetchat keeps kicking me out of #mglitchat! It must not like swearing in MG! -9:32 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel @pippaBayliss a swot is someone who studies all the time, like an egghead. Right, Pippa? #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford Yeah, that's a very good point. If that decision is made for you, it's made for you. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria @MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel @pippaBayliss or is that a "grind"? #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @rachelnseigel what's a "Swot"? #clueless #mglitchat #doievenwanttoknow -9:33 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower In THE BOY WHO HOWLED whenever a curse word is implied it says "blankety." #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @MelissaRoske @PippaBayliss #mglitchat I think Hermoine in Harry Potter is an example of a SWOT. -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske Judy Blume never used curse words in her novels. #JustSaying #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
PippaBayliss yes, a swot is a good student @MelissaRoske #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel Great example! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @anglarsen #mglitchat sort of like a teacher's pet- someone who is a know-it-all, studies all the time. No real American english correlation -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @_TimothyPower I think there might be a place, artistically, for darker MG. You don't have to like it, of course. #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @MelissaRoske Yeah, but she got yelled at for plenty of other stuff. :) #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen OK, I can handle that RT @rachelnseigel: @MelissaRoske @PippaBayliss #mglitchat I think Hermoine in Harry Potter is an example of a SWOT. -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly What works in a contemporary, realistic book is different from a fantasy or a young mg, where it could be jarring. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
_TimothyPower SWOT sounds like an acronym. Sugar Without Tea! #MGlitchat -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen EXACTA-MUNDO! RT @melissaroske: Judy Blume never used curse words in her novels. #JustSaying #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @MelissaRoske People found enough reason to be up in arms without that! : ) #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
OrigamiYoda #mglitchat Surprising number of kids are befuddled/concerned/disapproving of Soapy the Monkey's @$!#* cussing. -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @anglarsen @MelissaRoske @PippaBayliss #mglitchat kind of dated the author- isn't a commonly used (cont) http://t.co/cBXwFj5Z -9:35 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @KateMilford RT yeah, but she got yelled at for plenty of other stuff. :)Too true! #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kingdomofpatria Gotta run, folks. $@#!!%! Thanks for the chat! #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KateMilford @MelissaRoske You beat me to it! #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti Interesting! RT @OrigamiYoda: #mglitchat Surprising number of kids are befuddled/concerned/disapproving of Soapy the Monkey's @$!#* cussing. -9:36 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss I think cursing under aura of adrenalin-- fear- hurt--etc-- could work in MG novel. But I'd avoid it if just put in w/out cause.. #MGLITCHAT -9:36 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @KDuBayGillis Yes, you're right. I guess I forgot about all the sex stuff! :) #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kingdomofpatria Thanks for hanging out with us! #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss #mglitchat I agree- in certain situtations, I think it would b unrealistic to think a kid wouldn't swear. -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @lisabrowndraws Yeah, completely lame. I've had hs athletes use these few examples in games then get mad when penalized. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford FYI, the one kid reader who got on me for too much swearing also told me exactly where I was NOT to remove them. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @OrigamiYoda Hey, you made it! #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss #Mglitchat I just wouldn't swear for the sake of swearing. -9:37 PM Jun 14th, 2012
spacejock #mglitchat I've been using 'feeb' in MG as an insult. -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford Which was kinda hilarious. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @_TimothyPower Upper middle grade would, I think. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel @WriterRoss Unrealistic? Maybe for some kids/characters, but plenty of kids do not, and that's reality #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @spacejock What does it mean? #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KateMilford Ok, that's interesting. What was criteria for keeping v. cutting and which words? #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat so what r some of your favourite "euphemisms" for swear words? -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
OrigamiYoda #mglitchat example: Education of Robert Nifkin by @Pinkwater. Mostly MG except for an f-bomb, if i recall correctly. -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
implosionatlosa RT @MelissaRoske: Judy Blume never used curse words in her novels. #JustSaying #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @KateMilford Yes! Your reader sounds like quite an astute character! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @rachelnseigel In same sense that I can tell when author includes doody, booger words because of need to be cool with kid reader! #MGLITCHAT -9:39 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone What she asked. RT @KDuBayGillis: @KateMilford Ok, thats interesting. What was criteria for keeping v. cutting and which words? #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @KDuBayGillis The ones she felt could go were where I'd taken to using them as modifiers. :) Flipping modifiers. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 14th, 2012
pattyjansen @rachelnseigel My MG novel uses "ferrets" #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @kellandrewsPA @WriterRoss #mglitchat Not every kid would, you're right, but depends on the character/kid. -9:40 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @MelissaRoske @KDuBayGillis That's a good point -- you can be frank or controversial w/o swearing. And some swearing is benign #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @KateMilford Explain...? (And for the record, I like the word "flippin" for a subtle substitute.) ;> #MGLITCHAT -9:41 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @MelissaRoske Interestly youngest 2 readers said one of those same "keepers" made their dad stop & laugh as he read to them. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat I use "Blast It" or "Fudge" a lot. -9:41 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @KateMilford So cool! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @michellewitte Interestingly, #mglitchat is discussing swearing in MG. That could be an indispensable reference, like OED -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel I think if you aren't going to use the word, don't use the substitute. I like the idea of working around it. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte RT @kellandrewsPA: @michellewitte Interestingly, #mglitchat is discussing swearing in MG. That could be an indispensable reference, like OED -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone Would upper MGers find euphemisms corny? #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @WriterRoss As in, "this flipping situation flipping bites." I don't do that much, but I'd slipped into it in this case. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
JennieGoloboy RT @kurtisscaletta: Effin' A, it's not too late for #mglitchat! How the effin' h y'all doin? Oh, and what's tonight's topic? -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MGMafioso @rhondasaunders mentioned wine earlier and, heck, that was it for me... Arrivederci! Till next week. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KiraMLoudly RT @MelissaRoske: I make words up - words that sound swearish, but they're not. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @kellandrewsPA YES. Very much so. Though not nearly as thick. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders YES #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @elliefalcone I want to know this, too. I would. Might be like talking down to them. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford "Flipping" and "blast it" in a modern settings sounds too cutesy for me to use unless intending cutesiness... #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders Oops, apparently I can't reply to individuals. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis #mglitchat good point! Working around it can be just as effective as the word itself when done well. -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel Some people say FUDGE - characterization. If that's not what they say, don't use the substitute. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
RedSofaLiterary RT @kellandrewsPA: @michellewitte Interestingly, #mglitchat is discussing swearing in MG. That could be an indispensable reference, like OED -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen I can see that being clever RT @kdubaygillis: @rachelnseigel I think if you aren't going to use the word... work around it. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti In a historical MG if a kid says something blasphemous or edgy for the time, is that really so different from a modern swear? #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis #mglitchat it's what I say when I speak! ;-) -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel The challenge is in expressing the same emotion without swearing. Good to flex writing muscles #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte I'm a little chatted out after yesterday's marathon #askagent, but since I *am* worldwide expert on pseudo-swearing I'll pop into #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske A random question: Aren't some swear words regional, akin to soda vs. pop? #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @anglarsen @rachelnseigel That was @kurtisscaletta's suggestion/approach. He's a wise guy. And I mean it! #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KarenninaPosa Agree! RT @rachelnseigel: Working around it can be just as effective as the word itself when done well. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @mikegrinti In the situation referred to, I probably used "damned." #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @lostingreatbook You've taught middle school. Do you want to chime in to #Mglitchat about swearing in MG fic? -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @kiramloudly I make up words in real life, but wouldn't put them in my book. No one would get it. "What the heyball??" #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte She says with utter humility. ;) #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @KateMilford It's tough when I can't use damn, heh. Takes some work-around. :D #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @michellewitte So what are your thoughts on swearing (and pseudo swearing) in MG? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @MelissaRoske Definitely, just like slang. Even within different states and countries. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @MGMafioso Cheers! See you soon. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @KateMilford @mikegrinti Well, that one is in the bible, so it has to be ok. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @anglarsen I think that's totally fine! Don't you? PS Don't worry, I won't steal "hayball"!! #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @anglarsen Hahaha. I do that too except mine is what the monkey nuggets? #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @mikegrinti Agreed. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @michellewitte Which just goes to show that swearing is all relative! :) #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @michellewitte Thanks for joining us. So, for your clients, swearing in MG or not ok? #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
OrigamiYoda #mglitchat 1/2 I really knew what Dwights Mom was going to say to the school board, but almost at last minute I had to censor her... -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @KDuBayGillis RIGHT!! I'm so off the hook for that! Whew. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @anglarsen I think that could work for a certain type of quirky character, though! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @OrigamiYoda That's interesting, do they not think it fits into the Origami Yoda/middle school world? Or not comfortable with it? #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @elliefalcone Okay, that's just hilarious. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis I don't swear in real life, but some of my characters do. Don't know where they get it! #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
OrigamiYoda #mglitchat ... 2/2 ... Had to talk my editor OUT of letting me use the stronger phrase. We both knew it was right, but ... -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @kellandrewsPA For most MG, I would say to keep it *light* on the swearing. If you throw in one or two at a critical moment... #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
TLT16 #mglitchat I just read something with pauedo swearing and even a couple _____ and it was weird -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @michellewitte OOoooh, I've always wanted to meet a pseudo swearing expert! do share... #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @kellandrewsPA The irony for me is that I do tend to swear in real life, but my characters don't! Go figure... #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AudryT @michellewitte It's good to have a pseudo-swearing expert around. You never know when you're going to be surrounded by 10 yr olds #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis That's fascinating! R your characters your racier alter ego? #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske RT @michellewitte: For most MG, I would say to keep it *light* on the swearing. If you throw in one or two at a critical moment. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @kellandrewsPA and would fit the situation, I'd say fine. But for most mg it would probably seem gratuitous #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @rachelnseigel They're certainly way braver and more kickass than I ever was :D #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel Hilarious. I think we all have our characters do/say things we wish we could. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone Me too. RT @MelissaRoske: @kellandrewsPA The irony for me is that I do tend to swear in real life, but my characters dont! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @MelissaRoske I hope that means we're doing something right in our writing! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @mikegrinti #mglitchat that's the fun of writing isn't it? Our characters can do/be everything we wish we were! -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss Any librarians in the house? What happens when you come across a MG novel with a certain level of curses? ps Not talking about... #MGLITCHAT -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AudryT @rachelnseigel Oh my heck, swearing certainly isn't! I didn't use my first hardcore swear until 20. I was a darn it kind of girl. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @KDuBayGillis That is so very true. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @kellandrewsPA RT I hope that means we're doing something right in our writing! <-- Yes, let us pray... :) #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte Swearing really is about context. In kidlit especially. Dropping F-bombs to scandalize is not the point of MG. Finding a voice is #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea RT @KDuBayGillis: @michellewitte Thanks for joining us. So, for your clients, swearing in MG or not ok? #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AudryT I didn't type that right. I meant that swear words aren't universal to everyone- not swearing per-se. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss (cont) parental kvetching. Referring to initial ability to buy book for circulation. What books pass smell test? <g> #MGLITCHAT -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @michellewitte OH, cool, you literally are the expert! Your book DOES look craptastic! fun! :-) #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea Wow, swearing in MG? So far I have to admit I haven't really encounter much of that. YA on the other hand...#mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @AudryT EXACTLY. Plus, fake swearing can be fun and add another element to a character, especially at that age. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein #mglitchat did I REALLY miss a convo about swearing? No effing way... -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @rachelgrinti Probably very similar, especially if it has a high level of shock value in the scene or period. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat for those of you who r comfortable with swearing in novels, do you have a minimum age of a character that can swear? -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly A teacher won't pick a book with profanity; parents will object. Kids will have to discover those on their own. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea And yes, I did have a potty mouth when I was 13. But then again dad was creative with the eff bomb. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @WriterRoss In my public library we don't worry about it, but I know it's often different for school libraries. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack One of my MG characters says Hot fudge! in place of swearing since real swearing doesn't fit her. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @michellewitte @AudryT Yes! Fake swearing is blobbin' fantastic! #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea You have to realize there are parents that get upset with the flippin' or omg and concern that swearing. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you I think that a TV analogy helps - if kids can hear it on TV shows they normally watch, then MG should be able to use it. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @rachelnseigel It's not so much about age as situation & how it's used by character. Scared kid trying to prove he's tough? Sure #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA #Mglitchat do you speak any other languages? My mom swore in Yiddish. -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti Ultimately, I get that this is just how the market is, and you couldn't a (commercially successful) MG version of The Wire. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti But I do think there's a type of kid in a type of place we don't write for commercial, as opposed to artistic, reasons. /shrug #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @bkuhl2you But don't most swear words get bleeped on TV? #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Spacecadet570 In middle school saying something sucks was as bad as swearing. My teacher said instead to say it inhaled with great velocity! #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea Also the other day, while on my run, the middle schoolers waiting for the bus where all about using eff-bomb. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you Kids can say a lot of horrible things without swearing - try talking about "balls" in a middle school classroom. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @ixtumea Honestly, everyone has their own definition of what makes a swear. There are always regional or cultural differences. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel Minimum age for a character doens't make sense to me -- I'd put minimum based on target reader. Plus context! #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @bkuhl2you I admit it. I giggled. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
TLT16 @bkuhl2you I get upset with the fake swearing on iCarly. It is unnecessary. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @lindaepstein Hi. I'm in time out. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea Most kids say it for shock value. Or to 'fit' in. Kind of like me with smoking at that age. Stupid but at the time, I thought..#mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea I was cool. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @rachelnseigel Hah. Same here. We get away with murder slipping into tongue of the old world....;> #MGLITCHAT -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you @MelissaRoske The bad ones do. So we have a "bleep" workaround - s***, etc. Worked well, because they thought it was funny. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea @rhondasaunders Cringes. iCarly. Yuck. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack I think there always has to be a reason for swearing - whether it's real or fake. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
OrigamiYoda #mglitchat I remember talking to a little girl who was maybe too young to read my squeaky clean book, but had watched Borat on video. -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte Growing up, I had cousins who weren't allowed to say "stupid." In their home it was a swear. While my fam used it too frequently #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @michellewitte Exactly. I grew up thinking piss was a swear word. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel Yes! Yiddish swear words are the BEST! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel @kellandrewsPA My grandfather was Hungarian. Worst he ever shared with me was dog sh!t. Hmphf. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein @rhondasaunders #mglitchat I'm a BAD person to be in this convo. You know my mouth. Let's just share the timeout. -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kurtisscaletta RT @OrigamiYoda: #mglitchat I remember talking to a little girl who was maybe too young to read my squeaky clean book, but had watched Borat on video. -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @NicoleZoltack I thought Hot fudge was something good. I mean, it sounds good! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @TLT16 Really? What kind of fake swearing? I'm curious. Haven't seen it in awhile. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @Spacecadet570 I am going to sound 99 years old but something about the word "sucks" annoys the wahoolies out of me as well. :> #MGLITCHAT -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea @michellewitte My first graders would tattle and say, "She said the 's' word'. When asked what it was, student said, 'stupid.' #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 14th, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Shucks dropped in way too late. My mom used to say "Go to hell and bake bagels" in Yiddish. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack When I started to curse, it was because I was trying to fit in. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
TLT16 #mglitchat MG kids swear and talk about sex more and more each group. They know things now I wouldn't dream of when I was MG. -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @elliefalcone I know quite a few families who still consider it a swear. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you Did anybody mention MAZE RUNNER and made-up swear words - ("klunk," etc.)? #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @bkuhl2you I'm so immature. I just giggled at "balls." #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @origamiyoda Good grief, I'm 35 and I was scarred by Borat. Just shows to go ya, I guess... #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lostingreatbook @rachelnseigel nothing truly harsh. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @bkuhl2you TV's terrible...wouldn't want to use that as a guide #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein @WriterRoss @Spacecadet570 Wahoolies?! WTF? #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte Ha! RT @TheJeanMartha: @michellewitte We weren't allowed to say FART till we were 10ish. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @kellandrewsPA "Hot Fudge!" sounds like something George Bailey in It's a Wonderful Life blurts out. ;> #MGLITCHAT -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops #mglitchat I'll have to ask my mom about that expression. -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack @kellandrewsPA I think just about anything could be used as fake cursing. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea I admit in my classroom I'd sing "Shaving cream, shave every day and you'll always be clean," whenever the 's' word was on tip on #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
mikegrinti @TLT16 The idea that kids shouldn't know about sex is extremely culture- and historical-period specific. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone We were yelled at for saying "shut up." My mother once yelled at me for saying despicable. I blame Daffy Duck for that one. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel @lostingreatbook @bkuhl2you #mglitchat do you find the kids r wise 2 fake swearing? Do they think it's silly? -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
coachhays64 @KateMilford @mikegrinti In my mg 1870's hist fict, I use "darn" a couple times, a "dagnabbit" & in an intense scene a "damnit". #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
elliefalcone @michellewitte Proves you never can tell. Caution and context. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss @LindaEpstein Cracking me up. I needed that. {} #MGLITCHAT -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
TLT16 @michellewitte They say chiz all the time. I guess that's how you spell it. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea @michellewitte No, seriously, I think it's much more than that. I had one parent say my one books was filled with language with #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea @michellewitte because my character says 'flippin'. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LindaEpstein @rhondasaunders You can come out now. #fbombertimeoutover #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @coachhays64 My 1870's one, I think, has damn and hell and an Italian curse...I think that's it. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf I step away for a moment and ... Wow! What discussion! #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte To answer earlier question about swearing not being same everywhere, in Montreal the worst swears in French are religious words. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack I don't know if it's funny or sad that words that used to be "bad" are now ok on TV. I wasn't allowed to say them growing up.l #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lostingreatbook @rachelnseigel @bkuhl2you Kids know, but appreciate that book might be read by "someone younger" than them. S/t they giggle #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen U got to say it at 10? RT @michellewitte: Ha!RT @TheJeanMartha: @michellewitte We weren't allowed to say FART till we were 10ish. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you @rachelnseigel I think they enjoy the game of almost-swearing. If it feels like you're "stickin' it to the man," it's cool. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lostingreatbook @rachelnseigel @bkuhl2you #mglitchat but only if while story seems false, not just swearing. -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea But then again I was on a school district project where some felt kindergarteners needed to know about HIV prevention #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @kdubaygillis @lindaepstein Haha! Tks, Kellie. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
NicoleZoltack @kellandrewsPA Tone goes a long way to whether something is good or bad. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte If you're from Canada, you likely know the worst one, but even "baptism" and "chalice" are considered pretty bad. It's cultural. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford Just occurred to me to mention as a tween, my brother was more traumatized by accurate medical terms (mom's a nurse) than curses. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat That hour freakin' flew by! Great chat everybody! Thanks very much & hope we see u next week! -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
TLT16 @michellewitte People were upset when EW put Shag on the magazine cover because it is the F-bomb in England. Regional swearing! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @coachhays64 I think so too; interesting how since we don't think those are bad today, they're acceptable to use. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea I got sent to detention when I said one creative word in HS. Teacher like, "Baccellia, what did you say?" #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein #mglitchat really I think swearing in mg lit is fine. no f bombs though. fake swearing, unless it's in character, sounds inauthentic. imho -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rachelgrinti @coachhays64 Effects of evolving language are interesting. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford Anatomical terms HORRIFIED him. I still giggle at the memory...doesn't make swearing right but it makes me giggle. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
MelissaRoske @rachelnseigel Thanks to all! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders My MG daughter would probably rather you stick a pen in her eye than have to read "Hot Fudge!" throughout a book. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 14th, 2012
AniProf So, I seems, the bottom-line is that there is no clear cut answer to using vulgarity in MG. Hell! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ruth_donnelly @coachhays64 Me too... 1890: dash it all. by the horn spoon. humbug. balderdash. don't get in a pucker. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
RosanneParry There's a post in the Mixed Up Files of MG authors blog archive on this topic. To #&%* Or Not To #$%&*. Take a look! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
rhondasaunders @lindaepstein Will you marry me? #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
anglarsen @michellewitte we couldn't say "fart" we said "fluff." Hilarious! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
ixtumea Or anything to do with female issues? Clothing? My 11 yr old is horrified and won't read. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
kellandrewsPA @rachelnseigel That was a fun chat! I thought the topic would be exhausted in five minutes, but we just scratched the surface #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
WriterRoss To the yiddish cursers: I am too chicken to type the word G-d on paper so you can imagine my wussing out re: writing real curses! #MGLITCHAT -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KateMilford @michellewitte REALLY? That's fascinating. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
LindaEpstein dang blammit i came late to this party... #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
bkuhl2you @LindaEpstein I agree with the "in character" bit - I'm thinking of ABUNDANCE OF KATHERINES and "fug" - Norman Mailer reference. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
lostingreatbook @KarenninaPosa @kdubaygillis @rachelnseigel Agreed -real emotion w/less harsh words #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
KDuBayGillis @rachelnseigel Shut the front door! Thanks for joining us. Stick around if you want. Transcript of all your bad words up soon. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 14th, 2012
michellewitte @TLT16 Yeah. And people in the US think saying "bloody" is funny when other places it's taken more seriously. #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 14th, 2012
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