rachelnseigel Here we go everybody ready for #MGlitchat now? @AnshaKotyk and I are hosting -9:01 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz Are we ready to go? #MGlitchat -9:01 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I'm as ready as ever! #MGlitchat -9:01 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Ready! :-) #MGlitchat -9:02 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk RT @rachelnseigel: Here we go everybody ready for #MGlitchat now? @AnshaKotyk and I are hosting -9:02 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AshelynnS heeeello, everybody! I am here. :) #mglitchat -9:02 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel I think tweetdeck has a bit of a lag. But welcome to Historical MG! #MGlitchat -9:02 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat Our topic tonight is historical fiction. To start, let's try to see what is historical fic. -9:02 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat How far back does a book have to go in time before it's "Historical" ? -9:03 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel Yes what are the parameters of historical fiction? #Mglitchat -9:03 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat Some people have suggested that historical fiction is anything that takes place outside the lifetime of the intended reader. -9:04 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz Sadly, people consider books set the year I was born to be considered "historical". Sigh. #Iamold #notreally #70schild #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @rachelnseigel: To start, lets try to see what is historical fic. // Stuff that happened a few moments ago, backward to zero? #mglitchat -9:04 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz Yikes I'm feeling old #Iamold #notreally #70schild #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I hear you! I was born in the 70's too. Starting to really feel old! #Iamold #notreally #70schild #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel Is there an upswing in 80's novels lately? Just wondering. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz I've heard Sarah Deford William's A PALACE BEAUTIFUL called historical fiction, and it was set in the 80s. #nowImreallyold #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat ok. Here's one- is 9/11 Historical yet, or contemporary? -9:06 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz we're thinking alike. :) go 80's! Do you think it's considered historical because the 80's were more than 20 yrs ago?#MGlitchat -9:06 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk Not so much that I've seen, but maybe a few. Had this debate with somebody about whether 80's are historical. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana How do historians (academics, etc.) define history in terms of when it begins? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @AnshaKotyk anthropologically a generation is considered to be 20 years. #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #mglitchat And the other question: Does setting something in the past make it automatically historical fiction, or is there more? -9:07 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower The '80s are historical? Yegads. #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk So would historical be anything that happened more than a generation ago? #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel historical = a generation ago. That's what I"m pondering. perhaps. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @_TimothyPower Kind of depends, doesn't it? If it's centered around a particular historical event- like Challenger explosion eg. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel I think 70s and 80s are on the cusp of historical. More technologically backwards, I suppose, than historical. ;) #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana Perhaps we need the term 'contemporary history'? I wonder how that would go down. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk I think you could look at anything past and consider it historical. How many here read historical fiction widely? #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower Someone reminded me that if Back to the Future were remade today, Michael J Fox would be headed to the '80s. I refused to believe #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @_TimothyPower wow. now that's scary. #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat If someone wrote a book about the Berlin Wall coming down, is that history or contemporary? Happened more than a decade ago! -9:10 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @_TimothyPower Remember Quantum Leap? 1999 seemed like far future in the 80's. #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower The only hist I read as a child was No Promises in the Wind by Irene Hunt. Brothers on the run in the Depression. Hit me hard. #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AshelynnS @rachelnseigel I would think historical! #mglitchat -9:10 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @rachelnseigel Berlin Wall came down in 1989 ... more than 2 decades ago. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz I think the problem here is that the 70s/80s IS NOT HISTORICAL FOR US OLD FOLKS. But for MG kids? Totally. #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS @elissacruz That made me laugh- to kids, the 90's are historical! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @maggiedana So historical, or not? 23 years ago still in my lifetime! ;-) #mglitchat -9:12 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AshelynnS RT @elissacruz: I think the problem here is that the 70s/80s IS NOT HISTORICAL FOR US OLD FOLKS. But for MG kids? Totally. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @TeacherMotherRe I've always thought there needed to be some significant event- but then, how do we define historical. #Mglitchat -9:12 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana Do books with dates, such as 1984 and 2001, seem quaint now? Lesson to be learned? Don't give your historical a date for a title. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @TeacherMotherRe I mean significant. Sorry. Brain fart. #Mglitchat -9:12 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Carly_Chow @rachelnseigel And why we can all agree the 1800's is historical, but we disagree on the 70s and 80s. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @maggiedana Was having a talk with someone about Anne of Green Gables- wasn't historical fiction at the time. It's different. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @elissacruz Maybe it all boils down to: historical fiction is relative to reader's age? #mglitchat -9:13 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Carly_Chow Exactly. Most MG readers were born to parents who grew up in 70's and possibly 80's. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS @maggiedana I didn't read 1984 until 1997 and still thought it was a great book. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler I call books set in the 1980s "near historical." Splitting hairs? #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @elissacruz Oh, right...we're writing from the kids' POV. Why do I keep forgetting that? :) #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @Becky_AS: I didnt read 1984 until 1997 and still thought it was a great book. // Mark of great book? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Tina_Wexler Can it history be "near"? Maybe recent past- recent hiostory... #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @_TimothyPower I know. Must be our old brains or something, huh. ;) #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
JuliaTrench @rachelnseigel if an event occurred more than one generation ago, I'd call it history because someone else lived it. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk I read Shooting the Moon about a girl's brother going to vietnam. I consider that historical. But the theme was universal. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana All this begs the question: do MG readers like to read about stuff in the past, even recent past, or do they demand cont. fict? #mglitchat -9:16 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower A Flock of Seagulls=a historical fact. Still can't wrap my head around that! #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @_TimothyPower *snort* #MGlitchat -9:17 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @maggiedana now that is a great question. My guess is if there was something cool about the time frame of the story? #mglitchat -9:17 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @JuliaTrench But if the average MG reader is btwn 9-12, events like 9/11, many of these kids didn't live that either- and only a #mglitchat -9:17 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @JuliaTrench a decade ago. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe Look at the characteristics of hist. fiction:There is usually a reason or purpose it's set historically, like cultural difference #Mglitchat -9:17 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @TeacherMotherRe Which is why it's not enough to just set something ambiguously in the past. #Mglitchat -9:18 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS Historical has it's place-American Girl has series and novels based on historical times (not just the doll series) that are loved #mglitchat -9:18 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @maggiedana Good question! My son recently read a HF for school, and he LOVED the book he chose. So they can love HF. #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Becky_AS What do you think is the magic in those that makes historical fiction so appealing? (Other than the dolls) #mglitchat -9:19 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat I think the best historical fiction has a timeless feel no matter the time period. -9:20 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower I think the only resistance would come if "historical" meant "learning about history" more than great story. #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @elissacruz Good to hear. Well-written HF can instill love of history in readers of all ages. Might encourage further study. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @_TimothyPower Good point. HF needs to capture reader's imagination and with luck, will prompt further reading on subject. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat Sudanese Civil War took place from 1983-2005. Is something that was still ongoing less than a decade ago considered history? -9:21 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat had significant impact on the country. -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @maggiedana I think some of my most favorite mg books have been historical in some fashion. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
JuliaTrench @rachelnseigel I'd say it's fair game then #mglitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters RT @rachelnseigel: #Mglitchat I think the best historical fiction has a timeless feel no matter the time period. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS @rachelnseigel My 11yo loves to learn about other times/cultures if they are "romanticized" (not meant the lovey way) #mglitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk I enjoy it- have always love history, but kids seem 2 b a harder sell. #Mglitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler RT @_TimothyPower: I think the only resistance would come if "historical" meant "learning about history" more than great story. #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat My customers wrinkle their noses at it and say kids won't read. (Except 4 the slew of Titanic books this year) -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel Or something we can relate to. Just read a HF about OK homesteaders but their struggles/triumphs were universal. #MGlitchat -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler @_TimothyPower agreed. It's a smart distinction. #MGlitchat -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel maybe when trying to interest a reader, put the emphasis on the story instead of the history? #Mglitchat -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters RT @AnshaKotyk: @maggiedana I think some of my most favorite mg books have been historical in some fashion. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @AnshaKotyk Did reading those MG historicals prompt you to read grownup HF, or even straight history? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @AnshaKotyk: maybe when trying to interest a reader, put the emphasis on the story instead of the history? // YES! #mglitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz That was what I loved about "Evolution of Calipurnica Tate". She was a universal girl- not a historical one. #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
ShelbyRBach Sliding in late to #mglitchat, but excited about today's topic!! -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Her challenges were extremely relevant to girls today. #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @ShelbyRBach Welcome! #mglitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @maggiedana I actually can't say that reading historical stories gave me a love of history, or if it was already present... #mglitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS Also, being in the midwest- Little House on the Prairie books hold a lot of appeal- those would be historical, no? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower Steampunk has brought a lot of 19th Century elements into young readers' imaginations...some history there. #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
ShelbyRBach @rachelnseigel Thanks!! #mglitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Becky_AS LIttle House is one of my all time faves. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk #Mglitchat I think so. I read for a historical fiction prize- about 30 books a year. The ones I enjoy most are unique stories. -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
WriterRoss @rachelnseigel Maybe the customers-ie-adults--say kids won't read it. Have they tried? Is it adult nixing title and not the kids? #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters I was never into HF as a child but my sister read all of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books. Are those considered HF? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana What about historical/time travel for MG readers? Popular? A hard sell? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe @AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel It's all about helping students make the connections & also looking at cultural differences. #Mglitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @_TimothyPower I love love love steampunk. #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss A little of both. Even I get sick of depression era, midwestern , diary format stories. ;-) #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe @_TimothyPower That's SF though? #Mglitchat -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops Hoping that my nf book on a disaster (molasses flood) will pull kids into historical period (1919) #mglitchat -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield #MGlitchat Bonus w historical element in MGlit is teachers, edu boards, etc look for cross curricular in recomm read lists - + kids like -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Carly_Chow In a way, HF is not that different from SF or Fantasy since they all require a significant amount of world-building. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Deborahkops Hi Deb! #mglitchat -9:26 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Disaster books seem to be an exception- I think they are exciting enough to attract readers. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Carly_Chow very true! World building in HF is as important as SF. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS @Carly_Chow I was just thinking that! #mglitchat -9:27 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @Carly_Chow: HF is not that different from SF or Fantasy since they all require a significant amount of world-building. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @TeacherMotherRe @AnshaKotyk And I could certainly concede that it takes some work on the part of the teacher to do interest kids #Mglitchat -9:27 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @AnshaKotyk Hey! Stopping by and seems like a perfect time. Where nf and fiction meet #mglitchat -9:28 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Deborahkops yes. perfect. Anyone want to talk about research? #mglitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe @Carly_Chow Good Point, the back story is important, like in ever popular dystopian stories. #Mglitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower World building for the 1980s would do that decade a lot of good! #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops I've read that historical fiction is challenging because it's a melding of fact and fiction. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Carly_Chow @AnshaKotyk And for MG readers, HF is another way to immerse yourself in another world that is unlike your own. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel I think disasters may be an esp good hook for guys #mglitchat -9:29 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters RT @rachelnseigel: @Deborahkops Ive read that historical fiction is challenging because its a melding of fact and fiction. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters RT @Carly_Chow: @AnshaKotyk And for MG readers, HF is another way to immerse yourself in another world that is unlike your own. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Always- especially if there are explosions! ;-) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson Just read a fun historical fiction that should appeal, it's time travel -The Last Musketeer by Stuart Gibbs, lots of action #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters So True! RT @Deborahkops: @rachelnseigel I think disasters may be an esp good hook for guys #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield @rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk Rachel, I teach MG and can say: complexity + intrigue of HF has sold many of my reluctant readers. #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe RT @Carly_Chow: @AnshaKotyk And for MG readers, HF is another way to immerse yourself in another world that is unlike your own. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
charmaineclancy @deegarretson That does sound like a fun read #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
ShelbyRBach @deegarretson I loved THE LAST MUSKETEER! Gibbs worked in a lot of history. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Carly_Chow escapism is definitely one of the reasons I read. I know I enjoy learning something too. so HF is great for that #mglitchat -9:31 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @deegarretson I've heard of that. But do we consider time-slip adventures historical fiction, or sci-fi or fantasy? #mglitchat -9:31 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Maybe some kids can't tell what part of the story really happened? (the historical backdrop) #mglitchat -9:31 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @deegarretson Time-slip stories get disqualified from the prize I read for. Considered a device. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Maybe because sometimes we don't know all of the details of what happened either and take creative licence. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissafield @AnshaKotyk I'm really glad to hear that! #MGlitchat -9:32 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel Bummer! Time-slip is awesome. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson @rachelnseigel that's too bad, I loved his. fiction with or without time travel as a kid, didn't even think about the distinction #mglitchat -9:33 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield Whether HF, SF or other invention, MG readers crave a concrete & specific world - not just vaguely universal setting/char. #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @deegarretson I never thought about it either- always loved time travel. But creator of the prize feels history not the focus. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe @maggiedana @Deborahkops In the end HF should be more realistic than not. #Mglitchat -9:34 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower Maybe cuz time travelers aren't truly organic to the time period. They taint their surroundings, so to speak! #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk I think time travel stories are a great way to intro history to kids in a fun way. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
nardinisisters RT @TeacherMotherRe: @maggiedana @Deborahkops In the end HF should be more realistic than not. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson @rachelnseigel I can understand that #mglitchat -9:35 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Brucewriting HF is one of the genres I find students struggle defining. Many believe if it is old the its HF. Case in point, The Outsiders. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk I do too- loved the "Timejumpers" series and the idea of watching history as a movie but live! #mglitchat -9:35 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP What do we call an MG set in 1974? Historical? #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 @deegarretson Disaster is so appealing to mg level. Something we have very little control over turns the world upside down. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Brucewriting omg The Outsiders is historical?? #mglitchat -9:36 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @GabrielleSaraP Again, it depends on what it's about. I read a book set in the 70's with no significance to the period. #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Carly_Chow @TeacherMotherRe @maggiedana I'm more inclined to accept historical inaccuracies the further back in time the story goes. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Canadian kids reading historical fiction that takes place in U.S. have more of a challenge, no? #mglitchat -9:37 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson @coachhays64 yes, plus figuring out ways we would have survived if we were the characters #mglitchat -9:37 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk What about alternate history stories? #mglitchat -9:37 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP @rachelnseigel My ms references a minor historical event and the Vietnam war but is set in the daily life of a school girl 1974 #MGlitchat -9:37 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk I think there's a difference between books that were contemporary when they were written and true historical fic. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @Brucewriting Was thinking the same thing the other day. In a WIP of mine, one char. thinks Hardy Boys novels are historical. #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Yes- esp. Cause CDN teachers want CDN history- not American history. But CDN historical fic. tends 2 b very narrow #mglitchat -9:38 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield Time travel, yes, but if it feels new - not reminding students of their yrs reading Magic Treehouse. Make sense? #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops many are set within the same 30-50 year time span- pre 1950's. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP When I hear "historical" I think costumes, archaic weapons etc. Not Reagan and the cold war. #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana For most of written we have to take historian's word. Recent history gives us video. Imagine beheading Ann Boleyn on YouTube. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk Nope. Fantasy or sci fi- like Steampunk. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
WriterRoss I don't think a book is historical because it was written a few years ago. It was contemporary for its pub date. <g> #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel I've heard someone call those kind of books "outdated" instead of "historical." #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @WriterRoss My sentiments exactly! ;-) #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson @charmaineclancy I admit, I could never make it through the Dumas story #mglitchat -9:39 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Interesting conflict--tough for kids. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Brucewriting @AnshaKotyk That is some my department has debated. My take is it isn't. Hinting didn't write it as HF even if it is older now #mglitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @rachelnseigel Oh, good point re diff between 'old' cont. books and true hist. fict. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz We still sell 500 copies of Outsiders a year, and kids still love it! But, I read Adrian Mole as a teen and #MGlitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I found it dated. #MGlitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower There are days when I've felt outdated AND historical. #MGlitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 @TeacherMotherRe @maggiedana @Deborahkops So true. Otherwise it is fantasy with a historical setting. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @_TimothyPower LOL! I think we all have days like that- It's been so long since I've had to sell 2 kids directly, I had to #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel I don't mean Outsiders, I mean books written a long time ago as apposed to a true HF. #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @_TimothyPower re-consider my references to sell to kid. #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Goes back to our discussion of classics doesn't it- it's the difference between outdated and timeless. #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @_TimothyPower Me too. Today my 13 yo said, "And there was this really old guy, like 30 years old or something...." #sigh #MGlitchat -9:42 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS Love it! RT@elissacruz: @rachelnseigel I've heard someone call those kind of books "outdated" instead of "historical." #MGlitchat -9:42 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
WriterRoss @_TimothyPower No. We're shelved with the classics now. ;> #MGlitchat -9:42 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops It drives me nuts- CDN history is so vast, but writers r largely relaying family stories. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Brucewriting @deegarretson Love Dumas so much but my wife thinks I'm crazy. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Been complaining bitterly that we need an infusion of new blood into the genre. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @Brucewriting I love Dumas too, hubby thinks I'm insane... he couldn't follow the plotline... how come I could? ;) #mglitchat -9:43 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel YES. We want to write timeless contemporary or amazing HF, right? Right. #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP @rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Canadian history is not as bloody, except for the First Nations of course. #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield @Tina_Wexler (I think we get to make a rule they can't call it 'historical' if I remember it - no way I'm old enough for that! ;) #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson @Brucewriting crazy can be good #mglitchat -9:44 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Yes! Think of Boneshaker, or Moon Over Manifest- they feel timeless. #MGlitchat -9:44 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 @AnshaKotyk That's what I was shooting for. Tell a hopefully intriguing story around a historical setting and let kids explore. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @elissafield: @Tina_Wexler (I think we get to make a rule they cant call it historical if I remember it // that's got my vote. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @GabrielleSaraP And it's not typically the stories about the conflict with the First nations that are told. #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @GabrielleSaraP Last year over 1/4 of the books were set in depression era and featured an epidemic. #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Interesting that there is such a difference in one type of #kidlit genre bet Canadian and Am. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP @rachelnseigel Well, that's such an awful story, and really should be told by the victims now, for change. #MGlitchat -9:46 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @GabrielleSaraP I had an awful history teacher who made CDN history really boring! #MGlitchat -9:46 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Brucewriting RT @elissacruz: @rachelnseigel YES. We want to write timeless contemporary or amazing HF, right? Right. #MGlitchat -9:46 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops U.S. History reaches much farther back too. Our history starts much later. #kidlit #mglitchat -9:46 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @GabrielleSaraP More is being written about it now, but still a very sensitive issue. Maybe in another few years... #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @rachelnseigel I wonder how many kids think of history mainly as something totally depressing. #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe #MGlitchat As far as Canadian HF, aren't there books with the same themes, civil rights, westward expansion, things like that? -9:47 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops There is a huge difference in general between the kind of stories that r written in both countries 4 kids. #kidlit #mglitchat -9:47 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @GabrielleSaraP @rachelnseigel When I was in fourth grade I wrote bloody historical fiction! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @_TimothyPower: how many kids think of history mainly as something totally depressing. // or dead boring? #mglitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler @maggiedana @elissafield I'm making up the campaign posters right now! #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield Re "outdated" - much as I love(d) them Beverly Cleary, Konigsburg, even LEngle r hardsell w my students, becs of lost context. #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops I love that! #mglitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz Okay, so I can't wait any longer.Whose gonna share their list of great historical fiction? My TBR piles needs more HF. And...go! #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
LaurelSnyder I can't believe I forgot the chat! I'm writing historical right now, and need this... #mglitchat -9:48 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @Deborahkops You mean bloody good historical fiction? :) #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
RosanneParry @Tina_Wexler Second Fiddle was set in 1990 and it's classified as historical. The sad part? I had a child in 1990. :-) #Imancient #mglitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I vote for "Evolution of Calipurnica Tate", "Boneshaker", and Moon over Manifest to start. #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @elissafield That makes me sad. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP @TeacherMotherRe #MGlitchat There's lots of stuff about "great Canadians", but they are more bios or bio novels -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 What is great fun in writing HF is the abundance of dramatic, historical events to build stories around. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Oh- and don't know if it's dated, but loved "Root Cellar" as a kid! #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @_TimothyPower: @Deborahkops You mean bloody good historical fiction? :) // You a Brit? #mglitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @elissafield I believe it. (Nice name, by the way. ;)) #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 Plus, people can relate to the historical event which makes it easier to relate to your story. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
deegarretson Just read a slew of MG Titanic books, old and new, fav. was Dangerous Waters An Adventure on the Titanic by Gregory Mone #mglitchat -9:50 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel What are a couple of your fave mg novels--whether historical fiction or not? #mglitchat -9:50 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
GabrielleSaraP Need to dash. Bye everyone. #MGlitchat -9:50 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @maggiedana Ha! A Californian. But I'm worldly! #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Recently, loved "Mighty Miss Malone" by Christopher Paul Curtis, "Fourth Stall" by Chris Rylander. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield @LaurelSnyder (I know!) 2/2: by "context" = slang, cultur refs not important enough to be historical value, but bar understanding #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I enjoyed: Shooting the Moon by Frances O'Roark Dowell #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Anything by @LaurelSnyder , @wenmass #mglitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @GabrielleSaraP Thanks for coming! #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana RT @_TimothyPower: @maggiedana Ha! A Californian. But Im worldly! // You swear very well ... for a Yank. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Anything by @Ellenpotter #mglitchat -9:52 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Thanks for the Canadian titles! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower I wonder if it would be a crime to abridge Cleary just to gloss over the most egregious antiquated language/refs. #MGlitchat -9:52 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Oh- CDN? Except 4 CPC they rn't CDN. CDN books- I like Kenneth Oppel, Arthur Slade, #mglitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @_TimothyPower I haven't reread CLeary. Hard to imagine what makes it dated. What kind of stuff? #mglitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
maggiedana @_TimothyPower Do fan-fic writers re-imagine MG fiction? #mglitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Frieda Wishinsky, Polly Horvath- really love polly Horvath. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
WriterRoss @_TimothyPower The nuances make it special. #MGlitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
AnshaKotyk @maggiedana Oh, I'd like to see reimagined MG! #mglitchat -9:53 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
RosanneParry @_TimothyPower I've read Cleary lately and found it pretty fresh. I don't think there's much to leave out #mglitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler @RosanneParry It seems odd to shelve Second Fiddle next to Calpurnia Tate. Adult breaks HF down further. Should we? #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 @LaurelSnyder I did the same thing. I just released mg historical and in nail-biting stage wondering if anyone will read it.#mglitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @LaurelSnyder @_TimothyPower I always thought Ramona was ageless! #mglitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Oh, I meant to say Canadian mglit sorry! #mglitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @LaurelSnyder I can't say for certain, another poster brought it up. I imagine prices of things, technology, etc. #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @Tina_Wexler How would you break it down further? Just curious. By decade? #MGlitchat -9:55 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower @RosanneParry That's good to hear! #MGlitchat -9:55 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
coachhays64 @elissacruz May B. would count as historical fiction, I believe. Have not read it yet, but it's on the gianormous TBR list. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
RosanneParry @Tina_Wexler I find it odd too. I think for adults the threshold is 50 yrs. Makes sense to me! #MGlitchat -9:55 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
TeacherMotherRe @RosanneParry @_TimothyPower I agree, Much of Cleary is ageless. They still like Dear Mr. Henshaw #MGlitchat -9:56 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops @rachelnseigel Polly Horvath sounds interesting upon a fast Google. Thanks. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops My personal feeling is that CDN YA has stronger writers, but enjoyed Neil Flambe books by Kevin Sylvester alot! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops She's quirky- ppl either love her or hate her! #mglitchat -9:57 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @Deborahkops Oh, lordy... she's AMAZING. There's no other book in the world like Canning Season. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
RosanneParry @_TimothyPower @LaurelSnyder I think kids notice things like prices and lack of technology less than teens. #MGlitchat -9:57 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Tina_Wexler Seconded (but maybe I'm biased.) “@rachelnseigel: @Deborahkops Anything by @LaurelSnyder , @wenmass #mglitchat” -9:58 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @RosanneParry That's because plenty of adults are 50 yrs old! ;) #MGlitchat -9:58 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
ShelbyRBach @RosanneParry @TimothyPower @LaurelSnyder Agreed! (re: the price of things.) But I think it's a certain age 010 and under, maybe? #mglitchat -9:58 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Brings me to 1 last question- Why do you think younger writers don't write historical fiction (for most part) #MGlitchat -9:58 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Becky_AS @RosanneParry Probably cuz they don't use tech. as much and don't pay as often as teens #mglitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
_TimothyPower I wouldn't have a problem changing "ice box" to "fridge" in our MG classics of yore. #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissafield @_TimothyPower @LaurelSnyder Was: histor fiction - context needed = learning, while 'outdated' require context w-out hist import #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
Deborahkops Good night all! This has been fun and interesting, and I have some Canadian titles to add to my TBR list. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
rachelnseigel @Deborahkops Contact me anytime if you want lists of good CDN lit. :-) #mglitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
RosanneParry I just finished Heart of a Samurai and enjoyed it. Any other HF reccs out there? #mglitchat -9:59 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel I do think it has to do with experience. That or whether or not you love to do a grundle of research. #MGlitchat -10:00 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
ShelbyRBach @RosanneParry Ooooo, I've been meaning to read that book forever. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Mar 22nd, 2012
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