rachelnseigel #MGlitchat And we're on! Welcome 2 tonite's chat- topic is fantasy in MGlit. -8:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel #MGlitchat I'll start with a question- How do you all define fantasy? -9:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Hi everyone! Can't wait to talk about MG fantasy! #mglitchat -9:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel excited! #MGlitchat -9:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin Hey there! #mglitchat -9:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Hey Girlfriend! @anshakotyk I made it tonight! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone :::sits quietly and listens::: #mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin yippee! Should be a great chat! LOVE Fantasy! #mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel Is magical realism considered fantasy? #Mglitchat -9:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin go get Jen! this is right up her alley! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I guess I define fantasy as a setting--not of this world. Too narrow a definition? #mglitchat -9:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @elliefalcone Me, too! #MGlitchat -9:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti Hello everyone! #MGlitchat -9:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Yes, how broad is the term Fantasy? #Mglitchat -9:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore Fantasy, to me, means the story has phenomena that can't be scientifically explained. #MGlitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel #MGlitchat There seem to be many sub-genres of fantasy- time-slip, high fantasy, urban fantasy, -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin That's a good definition, but couldn't it include any"thing" not of this world? #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone I'd like to know if magical realism is fantasy, too. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @rachelnseigel I think as long as you're using the tools of fantasy (unreal things that may be real, etc.) it's fantasy. #Mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
love8rockets RT @earthwards: Hey guys! Might have to cut out early tonight but couldn't miss the party ;-) #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto For me, a fantasy must take place in a world different from our own--can be from slightly different to wildly so #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin That too. RT @JoWhittemore: Fantasy, to me, means the story has phenomena that cant be scientifically explained. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson @AnshaKotyk @AnshaKotyk Does it include....*cough cough* dystooooopia? #mglitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz Oh, we started? #wheredoesthetimego? #MGlitchat -9:03 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti I mean, kidlit doesn't shelve by genre quite so much, so it's not nearly important to worry what is and isn't fantasy. Is it? #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @mollyejohnson That is the question isn't it. I mean ANYTHING we right could be classified as Fantasy... it's all made up. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @michaelascotto But then, where do books like TWILIGHT and CITY OF BONES FIt? The action takes place in our world. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I really don't think so. Feels different. RT @elliefalcone: Id like to know if magical realism is fantasy, too. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz @MikeGrinti That depends. Some bookstores do shelve mysteries together, and fantasy,etc... #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @mollyejohnson I think if it's not an sf dystopia, yes. But more broadly... sf and f use a LOT of the same tools already. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @rachelnseigel Yes, many types of fantasy! Magical realism is the tricky one, differing opinions on that. #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura The fantasy I write is an earth-like world but it all has logic or science to back it up. racing dragons instead of dogs. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill rolling in to my first #mglitchat - Howdy. What's the topic? -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
earthwards Re: fantasy and magical realism - @literaticat has a great post about the diffs http://t.co/hnPQBy9D :) #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I'd call those paranormal. RT @rachelnseigel: @michaelascotto But then, where do books like TWILIGHT and CITY OF BONES FIt? #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @jimhill Welcome. Tonight we're talking about Fantasy in MG lit #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @AnshaKotyk So broad that it's beyond defining - almost. Prolly someone knows but not I #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Fantasy writer here...gimme a minute though, I have to get my daughter a milk bottle. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @rachelnseigel Thanks! #mglitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @elissacruz Yes. But still together under the MG super-category. #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore I don't classify all dystopia as fantasy because wars and disease can be logically explained. I'd call that spec fic. #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Excellent! Call in the pros! RT @earthwards: @literaticat has a great post about the diffs http://t.co/MYqIr2mS :) #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz @MikeGrinti True. #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @JoWhittemore agreed, and I feel many genres can easily overlap, so how do you pick one sometimes? #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore I always thought Dystopia was closer to Sci-Fi, but under umbrella of Speculative Fiction. Very broad. #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @PippaBayliss: Excellent! Call in the pros! RT @earthwards: @literaticat has a great post about the diffs http://t.co/MYqIr2mS :) #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto A book like twilight takes place in a world much like ours, except that vampires exist. But I'd also call it paranormal #mglitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime My favorite kind of fantasy makes you think it's our world but then tends to be slightly off. Like the Twilight Zone. #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I think fantasy also tends to have creatures that are not real. fairies, unicorns, et al. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin Yes, High Fantasy does. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
earthwards @PippaBayliss @earthwards @literaticat That is my go-to post if I'm ever curious about subtle diffs/where stories might fit :) #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson I guess I was just asking about dystopia to clarify. Because we were all thinking it. (; #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @michaelascotto I've always considered vamps/werewolves dark fantasy and paranormal covers ghosts etc. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti So are there any things you keep in mind when writing MG fantasy specifically? (As opposed to adult or YA) #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz I liked how @literaticat mentions that is has MAGIC. I think that is a key ingredient of fantasy. #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi Hi everyone - sorry I'm late... #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson Question for Fantasy writers: do you build the world or the plot first? #mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I've never actually heard it broken out into low, dark, high. Interesting. Who makes this stuff up? :) #mglitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @AnshaKotyk @mollyejohnson To-Shay. (I don't know how to spell that.) (: #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore Exactly. RT @rachelnseigel: @JoWhittemore I always thought Dystopia was closer to Sci-Fi, but under umbrella of Spec Fic #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @elissacruz disagree, if dragons evolved alongside humanity is it not fantasy just b/c there's no magic? #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti For me, I had to learn to slow it down a little. More gradual introduction into the fantastic elements for younger readers. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk good point RT @elissacruz: I liked how @literaticat mentions that is has MAGIC. I think that is a key ingredient of fantasy. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @mollyejohnson By the time I get to write, I've got the fantasy world pretty well figured out in my mind. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I agree. But do magical elements, such as in @LaurelSnyder 's #Breadbox make it a fantasy? #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @mollyejohnson The feed off of each other for me. Toss in character for the last third. at least when starting from scratch. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads Woo hoo, I made it! #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss I'd like to know who decides what kind of fantasy is what. Is that the writer's job or the editor's? #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @MiddleGrdReads Welcome! #mglitchat -9:09 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto @MiddleGrdReads good to see ya! #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz @tamiveldura But aren't dragons magical creatures by definition? #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @AlysonCGreene Hah hah! Good luck! :) #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti We worldbuild as we go, then rewrite a lot to make it consistent. >.< #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin That's where we get into magical realism, right? RT @rachelnseigel: @elissacruz Do magical elements make it a fantasy? #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @PippaBayliss and if it's self-pub, do you need to clarify it for the reader? #mglitchat -9:10 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @elissacruz are they? I've considered them fantastical, like unicorns are fantastical, there's no magic in McAffery's Pern #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin @elissacruz Yes! Personally, I don't classify those types of books as Fantasy. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @PippaBayliss You might want to mention it in a query, but really, the subgenres don't matter that much when actually writing. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @rachelgrinti Interesting. I'd expect a more willing audience to the fantastic that would allow for anything to happen #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Good question. RT @AnshaKotyk: @PippaBayliss and if its self-pub, do you need to clarify it for the reader? #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson Good info. RT @MikeGrinti: We worldbuild as we go, then rewrite a lot to make it consistent. >.< #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
dianezahler @mollyejohnson For me character first, always. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 I have a suspicion it's easier to start a story in a fantasy world than segue into one from "real" life. #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads Thanks everyone :-) What an interesting discussion! These are the kinds of nitpicky discussions I can't have w/many others! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Okay, I'm back! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @AnshaKotyk I would say no, not really. As a reader, I look(ed) for a story with cool stuff, not so worried about classifying. #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore @tamiveldura Sometimes you don't pick. Just as you can have romantic comedy, you can have fantasy dystopia. They can blend. #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto I'd consider magical realism to be distinct from fantasy #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @MikeGrinti: but really, the subgenres don't matter that much when actually writing. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz @tamiveldura I don't know, to be honest. I thought they were, but I've never researched it. #MGlitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @MiddleGrdReads Nah! They both have massive challenges that are different. Also, sometimes the same. I think? #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel RT @michaelascotto: I'd consider magical realism to be distinct from fantasy #mglitchat I agree! -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @PippaBayliss Editors>Marketing>Sales . We just have to write awesome stories. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford Fantasy from dictionary: imagination, esp when extravagant & unrestrained; wondrous/strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Magical fantasy tends to be more literary than most fantasy. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Fantasy must include world building, even if it's magical realism, coz it has to be defined in some way to make it believable #mglitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 Why is magical realism separate from fantasy? #MGlitchat -9:12 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @jimhill Not so much that they don't suspend disbelief, but more that they don't have as wide a background yet w/ their reading. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
colbysharp RT @yaytime: My favorite kind of fantasy makes you think it's our world but then tends to be slightly off. Like the Twilight Zone. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 I think because the stories are more realistic with fantastical elements. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I meant magical realism. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford Everybody has different definitions, but I like defining it pretty broadly, esp since no 5 people agree on what fantasy is. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson How do you go about presenting a fantasy world to MG as opposed to YA readers? #mglitchat -9:13 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @elissacruz I'm sure it's debatable. Some dragons are clearly magical (Lesser Kindred) while others are not (Pern) #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
SPrineas @timothypower67 Easier for the writer, maybe, but not for the reader. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 And because the magic is more of a device to further the growth of a character. #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @KateMilford Hi Kate - like that you've brought the dictionary into the convo :) #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz I like fantasy where I am drawn into a completely different world, yet it still feels familiar somehow. #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @KateMilford I tend to agree with you, Kate. It's different things to different people. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Lots of literary people don't want to admit they are writing fantasy, they need funky labels to legitimize their writing. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @timothypower67 Yes, I think you might be right! At least, I have a harder time with it. #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @timothypower67 I know for me, it's origin and foundation (dif. between magical realism vs. fantasy) #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I think MG fantasy focuses heavily on action and adventure while YA is more layered. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @tamiveldura But in either case you're using similar tools. World building, consistency, evocative language/desc., unrealism. #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @elissacruz: I like fantasy where I am drawn into a completely different world, yet it still feels familiar somehow. #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel #mglitchat My definition of what makes fantasy is a story that is completely imagined, and has no grounding in reality. Sci-fi could happen. -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @MikeGrinti agreed. both are 'fantasy' but both are not 'magical' #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @rachelgrinti I think about the mix of the fantasy and contemporary in Artemis Fowl. The reader is dropped into it. #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads One of the best MG fantasy books I have read this year is BREADCRUMBS, and it is subtle and brooding, only slightly "other." #mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @pippabayliss Honestly, that's how I define fantasy. Magic realism, urban fantasy, paranormal...it's all fantasy to me. *shrug* #mglitchat -9:15 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @john_zeleznik HA! I love your theory re: funky labels. :D #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @tamiveldura True! And what effect you're going for, that's def. a choice we have to make. #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
thereadingzone @john_zeleznik Agreed. My MG readers look for more action/adventure. YA readers look for world-building and characters. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny Fantasy is a genre, but it consists of iconography, devices, images, props that can exist across other fiction spaces. #MGLitChat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Aren't you doing that in all fiction? RT @MikeGrinti: @tamiveldura In either case youre using similar tools. World building, etc. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 I definitely prefer fantasy to my own real life. :) #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @MiddleGrdReads Discussions like this are always interesting but never come to any conclusions. :) #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I think that magical realism was just a term created by the literary community to disguise when they "slummed" in the genre. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 Don't we all! ;-) #MGlitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone Reality is overrated. RT @timothypower67: I definitely prefer fantasy to my own real life. :) #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @KristineAsselin One would hope! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto @timothypower67 magical realism is set in a world we largely already know; fantasy requires more comprehensive world building #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @MiddleGrdReads True story! #MGlitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @mollyejohnson same way, I think. Details of character and setting. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin To some extent, sure. It's still storytelling. But you focus on different things, worry about some new things. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @elliefalcone: Reality is overrated. RT @timothypower67: I definitely prefer fantasy to my own real life. :) #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @jimhill Still haven't read that one, ack! I think it depends on the book, but it was my recent experience w/ my own work. #MGlitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti RT @themediabunny: Fantasy is a genre, but it consists of iconography, devices, images, props that can exist across other fiction spaces. #MGLitChat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling Nova Ren Suma talked about magical realism vs fantasy during writeoncon http://t.co/vqpzrgVF #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss The borders are HUGE and you can mix and match all kinds of fantasy to make a tasty gumbo. That's why it's so much fun to write! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @KateMilford Yep :-) But that's alright! It's fun to discuss these things. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik "A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings" is the textbook (literally) example of magical realism, it's fantasy. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford Middle grade readers don't rely on subgenres of fantasy or nifty labels. That's all writer, agent, and editor stuff. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz So, about worldbuilding...I would love some tips on how to do this well. Or how to do it at all. #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @librarykelly Yay! Hi Kelly :-) #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I Disagree. I think of Rebecca Stead WHEN YOU REACH ME as Magical Realism. Def not slumming in the genre. @john_zeleznik #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto RT @john_zeleznik: though that's also possible ;) #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime Is Time Travel fantasy? "When You Reach Me" by Rebecca Stead is mostly character based with a single fantasy element/event. #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @KateMilford I'm with you. It's all one big stew pot. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura Love this, fantasy is gumbo! RT @PippaBayliss: you can mix and match all kinds to make a tasty gumbo. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi How is fantasy world-building different from, say, sci-fi world building? #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel #MGlitchat Anyone read Jordan Sonnenblick's "Dodger" series? Not really fantasy, but does have a magical creature. -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @PippaBayliss I think mash-ups are becoming more and more common. Steampunk epic fantasy, for example. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson YES! RT @elissacruz: So, about worldbuilding...I would love some tips on how to do this well. Or how to do it at all. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 I first heard the term "magical realism" re. the literary works of Gabriel García Márquez. #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PHCMarchesi I approach them both the same. Worlds are worlds. #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @john_zeleznik Hmm, I don't know if that's true. Magical realism has actual literary origins esp. from Latin authors. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti Mmmm delicious fantasy gumbo. Nice and spicy... #misseddinner #mglitchat -9:18 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @jimhill Exactly! #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @timothypower67 That's the story I mentioned. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill RT @michaelascotto: magical realism is set in a world we largely already know; fantasy requires more comprehensive world building #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @tamiveldura Me too. I write a hybrid genre.... #MGlitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
earthwards @mollyejohnson @elissacruz I think JKR had some of the best advice: You have to figure out what you CAN'T do, re: world rules #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KristineAsselin You misunderstood. I don't think of it as slumming. The literary world does. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Interesting question, is it? RT @yaytime: Is Time Travel fantasy? #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @michaelascotto great point. must. remember. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @yaytime Some people classify it as Sci-fi. #MGlitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @PHCMarchesi Sci-fi world building needs to have some baisis in science, where as fantasy has the rules that are created #MGlitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @john_zeleznik @PippaBayliss Is that a mash-up, or just a story that isn't confined to one set of tropes? #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling Hi Everyone, just lurking a bit. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti Worldbuilding: small details matter. Try to figure out how large and small things would change if unreal thing A was real. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @laurapauling Welcome. No pressure to post, but join in if u like anytime. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik World building: you have to take it seriously and be consistent. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling I refer to my time travel as contemporary fantasy. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @AnshaKotyk Interesting...but fantasy rules also have to make sense. And science-fiction is only loosely based on science #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss These things are a must - make sure your world has cause & effect: boundaries & limits: and the world has to make sense #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @elissacruz First rule of worldbuilding: be consistent #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @elissacruz One approach is take idea (every 10th person can grant wishes) and consider how it would affect society. #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Ok, sorry. :) Even so is the term Magical Realism insulting? RT @john_zeleznik: @KristineAsselin You misunderstood. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson Nice tip: RT: @earthwards @mollyejohnson @elissacruz figure out what you CAN'T do, re: world rules #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @rachelnseigel @yaytime Yep! Has its basis in science, so think it would be classified as sci-fi. At least by me :-) #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @AnshaKotyk You'd think so... but you can also do sf purely with props, no science. Eg. space opera. #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KateMilford Playing with tropes from two different subgenres that maybe wouldn't work in other context. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PHCMarchesi unless it's hard science fiction... #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto Definitely! RT @john_zeleznik: World building: you have to take it seriously and be consistent. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 It's funny to think that the most important thing about fantasy is that it be believable. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @tamiveldura No, thanks! I prefer to mix... #MGLITCHAT :) -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @PHCMarchesi in all worlds there must be rules that are followed. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @timothypower67 Hahaha! True... #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KristineAsselin No, it's a way for "literary" writers to say they write fantasy without saying they write fantasy. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @PippaBayliss or should that be 'cause & affect'? #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 Look at Harry Potter for example- they are still realistic characters. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @laurapauling Hello, Lurking Laura! :-D #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti Consistency, definitely. Even magic should have consistency or it can feel random. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin So true! RT @timothypower67: Its funny to think that the most important thing about fantasy is that it be believable. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling @MiddleGrdReads hello back. :) #mglitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @PHCMarchesi I don't think it is different. Maybe a bit if you're writing hard-science, so that the tech is plausible. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore @laurapauling Time travel? As in traveling back to an earlier time or forward to a later one? Then it's not contemporary. #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @jimhill: @elissacruz First rule of worldbuilding: be consistent #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @timothypower67 Ha! You're absolutely right though! It has to ring true for the world it creates. #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone @timothypower67 Hahaha, that doesn't make sense, does it? #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yusebio So I have @mollyejohnson's #mglitchat and @koboldstyle's #rpgchat in my feed simultaneously. Not bad, just an interesting juxtaposition. -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @PHCMarchesi Yup. Agreed. It's all about being believable. #MGLITCHAT -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @timothypower67 I agree mostly, Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy really broke the rule of things must make sense. #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling @JoWhittemore The story is clearly set in the present with trips back in time. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik And for the love of God, if it's second world...include a MAP!!!! #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @MikeGrinti I have to admit I haven't tried out space opera yet. ;) I'm a hard sci gal. #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson @timothypower67 "But how can I make this squid the size of a house more beLIEVEable?" #mglitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @mollyejohnson Goal of worldbuilding is to be believable. Even if it's fantastical & weird it still needs to make its own sense! #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @tamiveldura There's a word for what it is too, but cant' remember it at hte moment . #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Sep 15th, 2011
dianezahler @john_zeleznik When did "literary" become a bad word? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @john_zeleznik But why wouldn't that blending work in other contexts? Or do you mean only in fantasy can you blend them? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @dianezahler Literary has a reputation of being unpopular with kids. I don't personally like the term. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @PHCMarchesi Maybe this is where the depth of characters come in. Do you think worlds can be crazy as long as emotions resonate? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @AnshaKotyk I'm working on a YA scifi and I'm totally ignoring science. It's more fun that way. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @KateMilford blending def. works in other genres: mystery #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Double Dog Dare ya. RT @AnshaKotyk: @MikeGrinti I have to admit I havent tried out space opera yet. ;) Im a hard sci gal. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford I think one of the negative side effects of too much sub-genre classification is that writers don't always feel free to... #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @AnshaKotyk There's a lot of recent sci-fi that has chucked any basis in science. Star Wars = science fiction. Really? #MGlitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling I'll believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @MiddleGrdReads @rachelnseigel @yaytime I usually feel like Sci-Fi tries to explain how things works (even if just in passing). #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @laurapauling: I'll believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Everyone is going to be happier if they know at the beginning that there's a fantastical element - don't surprise us on pg 129 #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Agreed. :) RT @laurapauling: Ill believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @dianezahler When genre writers/readers were beat over the head with not being it, I think. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone RT @laurapauling: Ill believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz Okay, now tell me tips on how to figure out the rules of magic in the world. #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 In space no one can hear you scream. Except in Star Wars. "Noooo!" #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @dianezahler It didn't. Genre is the bad word. I mean only Michael Chabon, that I can think of, embraces his roots. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford ...mess around with expectations. Comes of worrying too much about what kind of fantasy they're writing, maybe? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @john_zeleznik bwhahaha! see I love science and if I read something that doesn't mesh, you loose me as a reader. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @john_zeleznik I never look at maps. ..Unless I'm really confused by where things are and who is where etc. Heh. #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @dianezahler IA. What do we actually mean by "literary"? Books we read for school? NYT fiction bestsellers? Proust? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling @elissacruz For every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. :) #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @laurapauling: I'll believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KateMilford Trying to think of how to phrase my response. Not ignoring your question. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
dianezahler @MikeGrinti @dianezahler Then we should embrace it. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
Pugaliciouspres I prefer to think there IS a little magic in everything. My historical fiction has a little magic! #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore @elissacruz Magic requires sacrifice and consequences. #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @laurapauling Same here! #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
earthwards @elissacruz I would say always make sure that major decisions/plot points happen b/c of character first, not magic. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @timothypower67 But you only hear it 30 years later, in the remaster. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Seriously, with our definition, Star Wars = Fantasy, right? RT @jimhill: @AnshaKotyk Star Wars = science fiction. Really? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill BAH! It's #mglitchat! Must somehow try to chat and do dishes. And also chew gum. -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny YES. Ditto! RT @laurapauling: I'll believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @jimhill Star Wars is a Space Opera, but also an imagined future. . #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti I like magic that makes problems worse as often as it solves them. #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @rachelgrinti: I like magic that makes problems worse as often as it solves them. #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson @timothypower67 okay, tell me who's tried to scream in space, I have to know someone has experimented for me to believe you can't #mglitchat -9:25 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill Yeah! RT @laurapauling: I'll believe anything if the writing is good enough. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @john_zeleznik :) No worries! I'm not sure I phrased mine all that well to start with. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @MiddleGrdReads If the world is random, readers will be confused no matter what the emotions -- my take...#MGLITCHAT -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
mollyejohnson RT @yusebio: So I have @mollyejohnson's #mglitchat and @koboldstyle's #rpgchat in my feed simultaneously. Not bad, just an interesting juxtaposition. -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @rachelnseigel Inner fan... unable to resist... the past! it's set in the PAST! #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @rachelgrinti in D&D Mages loose the knowledge of a spell as soon as they use it. They have to re-memorize constantly. #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti RT @rachelgrinti: I like magic that makes problems worse as often as it solves them. #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @yaytime @MiddleGrdReads I agree. It' doesn't have 2 b true, but has 2 be explainable. ie- "Things Not Seen" by Andrew Clements. #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @AnshaKotyk I should say that I'm not going to try and explain the science, more interested in making up cool sound stuff. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
thewritejoyce I like to believe there is a little magic all around me. My mg historical fiction has a little tree magic. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @rachelnseigel Not to quibble, (ok, quibbling...) it's an imagined past. "A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" ;-) #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore Magic has to have a limit and should be learned, even if thru simple practice. #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 @deegarretson Ha! That was the tag line to the movie Alien. 2001: A Space Odyssey made silent space unforgettable. #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @yaytime @MiddleGrdReads He gave a scientific explanation of invisibility. #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @dianezahler @john_zeleznik All of those words are misused, from an educational standpoint. It is a thing that irks. *shrugs* #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Magic systems are hard. Check out Sanderson for that. I wind up with a Potter/"The Force" like system for all my work. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @elissacruz Great advice I heard from Cassandra Clare? Always consider "the price of magic" aka think about world's limitations #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @timothypower67 Too soon. #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford For me, the key to believable magic is consistency and consequence. And I hate deus ex machina magic. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @kellybarnhill I never bring up genre in fiction in my class. No need to. A good story is a good story. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @JoWhittemore: Magic has to have a limit and should be learned, even if thru simple practice. #MGlitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @rachelnseigel @yaytime Exactly! #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @KateMilford: For me, the key to believable magic is consistency and consequence. And I hate deus ex machina magic. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @elissacruz Think cause & affect: If you can magic up wealth, what will society look like? Ask Questions then answer them #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson @timothypower67 really? I've avoided watching Alien. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @rachelgrinti Diana Wynne Jones pulls that off gorgeously in her books! #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
dianezahler @themediabunny @dianezahler It seems to be rooted in a sense of exclusion and a naive fear. Like "liberal." Or "professorial." #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin A lot of people do consider star wars "science fantasy". Magical second world fantasy with sf props. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 Magic with limits is my favorite kind. #MGlitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @MikeGrinti really? Star Wars has always been solidly SF in my head. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @KristineAsselin @jimhill @AnshaKotyk Yup. Star Wars has no science. Therefore is not science fiction. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 All hail Diana Wynne Jones! #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @MikeGrinti Great term, "science fantasy." #MGLITCHAT -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JoWhittemore Magic should have levels of complexity and tie into the elements. #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 I love that too- like only having three wishes from the genie. #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @jimhill See, I always saw Star Wars as a fantasy with sci-fi elements. Just like Alien is a horror film with sci-fi elements. #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I do Harrison Bergeron, A Sound of Thunder and A Very Old Man with Enormous Wings and never mention genre. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin That makes sense! RT @MikeGrinti: A lot of people consider star wars "science fantasy". Magical second world fantasy w/sf props. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @MikeGrinti In that same vein Sci-fi stories need to use science as a building block to the plot, w/o the science the story fails #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @KateMilford Diana Wynne Jones is the only author who can pull off deus ex machina magic & actually make you clap when it happens #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads Yessur! RT @timothypower67: All hail Diana Wynne Jones! #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi RT @AnshaKotyk: @MikeGrinti In that same vein Sci-fi stories need to use science as a building block to the plot, w/o the science the story fails #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @dianezahler It's really more a response to a style of writing and choice of topics in many ways. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @john_zeleznik TOTALLY. The real questions that kids should be asking is "does this work?" and "Is it meaningful?" #mglitchat -9:29 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elissacruz Gotta duck out now, folks. Heading off to #Kidlitcon tonight. Thanks for all the tips on writing fantasy! #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @kellybarnhill I guess I've always associated space = SF regarless of whatever science content (or lack) there is otherwise. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @kellybarnhill @KristineAsselin @jimhill @AnshaKotyk BUT SPACESHIPS!! LIGHT SABERS!! Aaaarrrggghhh #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz have a GREAT time! #Kidlitcon #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @AnshaKotyk Yes--and in fantasy, the magic needs to be just as important to the story. Integral to the world and plot. #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @elissacruz Bye! :) #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @dianezahler Agreed! I like to challenge connotations if possible because it's my bag ;-) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 I always wonder in Star Wars where they got all the raw resources to build their endless sky-high cities. That is def. fantasy! #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
dianezahler @MikeGrinti @dianezahler Whose response? Where does it come from? #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss RT @kellybarnhill: @john_zeleznik The real questions that kids should be asking is "does this work?" and "Is it meaningful?" #mglitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @rachelgrinti exactly, the fantasy element must be integral to the plotline. #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @yaytime That is absolutely true. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @elissacruz True, good story is always good... but given two good stories, readers will choose ones with robots or zombies whtev. #MGlitchat -9:31 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 Seems like the Chicken/Egg scenerio- is it fantasy with Sci-Fi elements, or Sci-fi with fantasy elements. #MGlitchat -9:31 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @elissacruz Bye! Have a blast! #MGlitchat -9:31 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @kellybarnhill I did Hunger Games & talked abt dystopia b/c that's a viable discussion (did Animal Farm & Lord of the Flies too) #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
earthwards Sorry guys, gotta jet out early - have fun! =D #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin What if it's not? Is it not fantasy anymore? RT @AnshaKotyk: @rachelgrinti the fantasy element must be integral to the plotline. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @dianezahler Readers and writers of genre. If a book is literary, I suspect it may be written in a way I don't care for, as an ex #mglitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @themediabunny That's the point of all this. No hard and fast genre lines that can't be crossed for the good of the story #MGlitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime The original Star Wars trilogy is fantasy. But then in the prequels they tried to explain the Force with Midi-chlorians #nerdfail #MGlitchat -9:32 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @KristineAsselin I didn't say that... discussing good worldbuilding. :) #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin that's a good point. what is it then? Why is it there? #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin @AnshaKotyk @rachelgrinti I think so too. A fantasy should be solidy fantasy . #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @yaytime Prequels? What Prequels? These aren't the prequels you were looking for. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Glad you made it! Enjoy Kidlitcon :) RT @librarykelly: @elissacruz Bye! Have a blast! #mglitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @jimhill I completely agree. Genre hybridity is the spice of life. You just have to make sure your readers are onboard. #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson @yaytime and we all wonder why they bothered, we believed The Force without some scientific explanation. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @KristineAsselin @AnshaKotyk @rachelgrinti I disagree that it has to be integral to plot. I think it has to be integral to world. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
laurapauling @KristineAsselin Ha ha doesn't everything have to be integral to the plot line? #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @tamiveldura Science fiction, as a general rule, actually engages with science, uses current thinking to guess where we're going. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin I'm not saying it isn't, just playing devil's advocate. RT @AnshaKotyk: what is it then? Why is it there? #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 I absolutely loathe the biological explanation for the Force w/Midi-chlorians! I block my ears at that point & go "La la la la!" #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads I have to go do homework :-) You guys are all nerdy and awesome! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @KateMilford @kellybarnhill @KristineAsselin @jimhill @AnshaKotyk Fantasy can have sci-fi props and technology. It's not all D&D #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @laurapauling if it doesn't forward your plot, why is it there? #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @tamiveldura That's the general consensus. Us nerds need stricter definitions so we can bond with the proper subculture. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @MiddleGrdReads Have a great night! #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @tamiveldura Lots and lots of the folks in the sci-fi community - both writers and fans - don't consider Star Wars sci-fi. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @kellybarnhill @tamiveldura The line is thin. Science that wasn't understood was often explained as magic. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Right! Or why is it there? @anshakotyk @laurapauling: Ha ha doesnt everything have to be integral to the plot line? #mglitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @timothypower67 lol! I generally watch eps 4, 5, 6 and go prequels? what prequels? we don't need no stink'n prequels. #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @AnshaKotyk Maybe you like the feel it gives your world. Maybe it does something interesting thematically, or emotionally. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I worship at the temple of the Holy Trilogy. It's space opera. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @AnshaKotyk Magic doesn't just have to be a plot device. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik I'm with you. Glad he didn't go on to make 7-9 as I once heard was planned. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @KateMilford Yes, that's a good distinction! Though if it doesn't affect plot at all, something to consider. #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @MikeGrinti true, it doesn't have to be a device but you do have to give it a reason to be in yoru story right? #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Sci-fi props sound fun. :) RT @yaytime: @KateMilford @kellybarnhill @jimhill @AnshaKotyk Fantasy can have sci-fi props & tech. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @tamiveldura But you're alone in the star wars/sf connection, fer sure. I don't because of the lack of science. Imma purist. ;-) #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @laurapauling @kristineasselin I thought so... #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 Some noted brainiac said the latest technology in our time is equivalent to magic. Steve Jobs, et al. =Merlin. #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @rachelgrinti The world a character inhabits will always impact his/her life, but doesn't necessarily have to drive plot. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @AnshaKotyk Sure, like everything. But it can be used subtly. Unless we're talking strict subgenre, I suppose. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik You can't just dismiss SW as fantasy. A key point is the Falcon not being in great shape. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @timothypower67 @timothypower67 #MGlitchatThat is totally true. It is kind of magical. #MGlitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @KristineAsselin @yaytime @KateMilford @jimhill @AnshaKotyk And THIS is where it gets fun! GENRE BLURRING! My favorite! #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny @timothypower67 Histories of technology (e.g. telephones, TV) have ties to spiritualism, mysticism, & magic, believe it or not! #MGlitchat -9:37 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @MiddleGrdReads You aren't done with your homework?! Shame, shame. :-D #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone RT @timothypower67: I absolutely loathe the biological explanation for the Force w/Midi-chlorians! I block my ears at that point & go "La la la la!" #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly RT @AnshaKotyk: @laurapauling if it doesn't forward your plot, why is it there? #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill @tamiveldura Star Wars is usually classed as Science Fantasy or Space Opera. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin LOL RT @kellybarnhill: @KristineAsselin @yaytime @KateMilford @jimhill @AnshaKotyk And THIS is where it gets fun! GENRE BLURRING! #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @john_zeleznik I love that term. I whisper it in my sleep. "space opera, space opera, space opera." #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
Mark_Granton mark any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat granton -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JezCouper jez any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat couper -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @tamiveldura Arthur C. Clarke. #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
JonathanSisson johanathan any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat davids -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
Paul_Alston1 any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill @tamiveldura Star Wars does use science to explain the Force, but not super well. #mglitchat #midichlorians -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Then again, maybe a hydrospanner is just a description of a wand with the ear hair of a gundark as its core. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
Erik_Mongrain eric any sufficiantly advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. #mglitchat martinez -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @themediabunny @timothypower67 Like in "Invention of Hugo Cabret" for example. #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @librarykelly @AnshaKotyk @laurapauling It's the setting :) #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @rachelgrinti I'm being a bit of a devil's advocate here, obviously...BUT to me fantasy can be just as much about the world... #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PHCMarchesi that's the dude. #MGlitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @kellybarnhill I grew up reading all the old school science fiction and space opera I could get my hands on. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone Are we getting spammed? #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @timothypower67 Not only was it lame, it was also BAD SCIENCE. Boo, Bad Science. Boo! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KateMilford True. I suppose what I'm getting at is adding world-stuff just to add is just adding. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @rachelgrinti and world shapes plot but doesn't always always drive it the way characters do (and vice-versa) #mglitchat -9:39 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @LianaBrooks That is true - I was thinking in the original three - not the later monstrosities. ;-) #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Even if your story take place in a version of this world, you have to world build, establish the rules. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @john_zeleznik: Even if your story take place in a version of this world, you have to world build, establish the rules. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @AnshaKotyk Oh, I'm totally with you there. Then it just becomes cool travelogue. Fantasy Baedekering. :) #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Ooh, I like the term Science Fantasy RT @LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill @tamiveldura #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @kellybarnhill I always like planetary romance too, though I'm still trying to figure out how to handle it. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @AnshaKotyk Ok. I think you're right. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @elliefalcone Looks that way. #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @elliefalcone I'd say... #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill The original three movies were Science Fantasy, high tech with little science explanation. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Absolutely! RT @john_zeleznik: ... you have to world build, establish the rules. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson do we sort of agree adding in characters with special powers is acceptable without extra explanation in fantasy? #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @jimhill You will be SO EXCITED then to read Pete Hautman's new trilogy, coming from Candelwick. MG SPACE OPERA! WOO! #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @KateMilford Yes, and I'd agree with that. Agree that if the fantasy element shapes the world around the MC, it is affecting plot #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto The world fantasy chars inhabit might not 'drive' the plot, but it is what makes the plot possible. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Your reader doesn't have to know everything about the world, just what's important to the story. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill I don't think "Futuristic Fantasy" is considered a genre. You have Science Fant, Dystopian, Utopian... #mglitchat -9:41 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @john_zeleznik: Your reader doesn't have to know everything about the world, just what's important to the story. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @deegarretson I agree. You just have to do it well. Readers always want to go along with cool stuff! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @rachelgrinti Fair enough. I think we're on the same page. :) #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Absolutely true. Even if it's 100% contemporary realistic. RT @john_zeleznik: You have to world build, establish rules. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @Paul_Alston1 My cell phone, for example, I'm convinced is powered by pixies - and they are touchy buggers! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @john_zeleznik In fact, often leaving mystery is half the fun! Gives a sense that there's even MORE world out there! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura I've never heard this term science fantasy before #mglitchat #learnsomethingnew I do love space opera, though. -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @kellybarnhill awesome. just made a not to google that later. Love @Candlewick #mglitchat -9:42 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin How do you define Space Opera? Or am I opening a can of worms...RT @kellybarnhill: @jimhill #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @john_zeleznik Yes I think the sense that there is a big world out there helps both story and worldbuilding. Makes it more real. #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @tamiveldura I've never heard it either. Maybe we just invented a genre! ;-) #mglitchat #learnsomethingnew -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KristineAsselin Agreed, I never understood why world building was an exclusively sff expression. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @kellybarnhill Are you not leaving out milk for your cell phone when you charge it overnight??? #caringforfaeries #mglitchat -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi Not sure about space opera, either...can someone explain? #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik In contemporary books they just call it setting. I guess fantasy being made up, is built from scratch? #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @KateMilford @rachelgrinti I think I forgot the hashtag on my last tweet. But, the key word in your tweets was *drive*, true? #MGlitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Yes! Thank you! RT @john_zeleznik: Agreed, I never understood why world building was an exclusively sff expression. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @MikeGrinti @kellybarnhill THAT'S WHY MY PHONE WON'T HOLD A CHARGE!! #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @LianaBrooks I've never heard anyone use that term....but I kinda like it. Perhaps we need to invent a new genre :-) #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
ktquimby @KristineAsselin Space opera to me has always been a soap opera set in space (ie Lost in Space-ish). #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @PHCMarchesi Grand, sweeping, epic, not so much worried about science as sweepingness. Opera, but in space! #MGlitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @PHCMarchesi Space opera is to scifi as high fantasy is to fantasy. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
elliefalcone @KristineAsselin Glad you asked. When I hear Space Opera I automatically think of the cast of Space Balls singing. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks Science Fantasy defined: http://t.co/hDAS7nGh #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @ktquimby That's how I define it too! Space opera. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @KristineAsselin I'll let wikipedia take the Space Opera definition: http://t.co/YjiHGRvx #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @MikeGrinti *FACEPALM* I shoulda known! #mglitchat -9:44 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @MikeGrinti Tenors and sopranos??? IN SPACE, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SING. ;-) #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks @kellybarnhill In the sci-fi community it's tossed around a lot as an alternative to hard sci-fi & space opera. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PHCMarchesi I've always considered space opra to be set in space w/ huge cast. Saga of the Seven Suns. space opera. #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @librarykelly @rachelgrinti My point was that in a fantasy world you could still have a plot driven by plain ol' jealousy... #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura so much this. RT @PHCMarchesi: @MikeGrinti Tenors and sopranos??? IN SPACE, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SING. ;-) #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
themediabunny HA! YES! RT @PHCMarchesi: @MikeGrinti Tenors and sopranos??? IN SPACE, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SING. ;-) #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin LOL. And now I do too...thanks. RT @elliefalcone: When I hear Space Opera I think of the cast of Space Balls singing. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 @PHCMarchesi @MikeGrinti Except in The Fifth Element! #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @KateMilford: @librarykelly @rachelgrinti My point was that in a fantasy world you could still have a plot driven by plain ol' jealousy... #mglitchat -9:45 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @timothypower67 Oooh that's right. The blue lady. #MGlitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @AnshaKotyk: RT @AnshaKotyk: So would Battlestar Galactica be Space Opera?? per wikipedia? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @kellybarnhill Droid fairies like 2%, but iPod fairies prefer soy or almond. (Chocolate optional.) #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @librarykelly @rachelgrinti Or something, you know? The conflicts between people still have to hold up, even in fantasy. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @MikeGrinti what about whole? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Or Star Trek? RT @AnshaKotyk: So would Battlestar Galactica be Space Opera?? per wikipedia? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @PHCMarchesi Have you checked out the new Cassini videos? There are radio waves coming from Saturn's rings! Sound! So cool! #mglitchat -9:46 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @tamiveldura That turns phones in tablets. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Is time travel fantasy or sci-fi, or does it depend on the method? Eg The Time Traveller's Wife vs Doctor Who #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik World building: Maycomb County, West and East Egg and Hazzard County. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
love8rockets RT @MikeGrinti: Worldbuilding: small details matter. Try to figure out how large and small things would change if unreal thing A was real. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @kellybarnhill Oh am I TOTALLY going to check them out. That sounds very exciting to me! Thanks for the tipi! #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime I always thought Space Opera had to do with the fact that everyone is connected/related. Vader is everyone's father, built C3P0. #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @KateMilford Yes, absolutely. People are still people, same feelings and concerns, just with magic or dragons floating about. #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PippaBayliss oooh, good question. I consider Wife to be fantasy. never seen Dr. Who. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Good Point. RT @PippaBayliss: Is time travel fantasy or sci-fi, or does it depend on the method? #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill @KateMilford @librarykelly @rachelgrinti Or greed, or power, or lust....hello GAME OF THRONES. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Is LORD OF THE RINGS middle earth opera? Why is the term Opera only used with Space? Maybe I need to go back under my rock... #mglitchat -9:47 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 Are fantasy elements just dressing for a plot and characters that could play out in the "ordinary" world? #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @kellybarnhill Game of Thrones changed my life. No really. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk Kind of dicey. Depends on how it's used. IE- Dr. Who is Sci-Fi, but it's time-travel. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin Don't overthink genre names. They're just fast code for people trying to find similar books. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin bwhahah middle earth opera! #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @kellybarnhill @librarykelly @rachelgrinti Right, and that doesn't mean the fantasy is superfluous necessarily. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kellybarnhill Cool chat, folks, but alas, I must fly. Next week! #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @timothypower67 Some fantasies are written that way, but I think the good ones just don't function w/o the fantasy elements. #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @timothypower67 Coming of age. Power struggled between leaders. Conflicts between powers. Thinly veiled metaphors. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto @KristineAsselin or under your rock opera... #mglitchat -9:48 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Steampunk is considered fantasy, yet there's a lot more science involved. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin NICELY PUT, SIR. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @MikeGrinti Or sell similar books. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin That's interesting, maybe method does matter. RT @AnshaKotyk: @PippaBayliss: does time travel depend on the method? #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Rock opera! :) RT @michaelascotto: @KristineAsselin or under your rock opera... #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @PippaBayliss it is? I thought steampunk was under SF?? #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Yes, that would be true. ::hides face:: RT @michaelascotto: @KristineAsselin or under your rock opera... #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin Absolutely true! Sure helps 2 have a term 2 use when asked 4 like reads thought. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
goraina RT @kurtisscaletta: #mglitchat Katherine Patterson said the best creds for writing kids books is having been a weird little kid. -9:49 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @PippaBayliss Actually, many if not most of the crazy purists consider steampunk sci fi, first and foremost. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @tamiveldura Steampunk straddles the line. Kind of makes it cool. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @pippabayliss Not that I have sat through any (cough) con panels in which that has been HEAVILY DEBATED (facepalm) #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @tamiveldura @PippaBayliss I guess it depends on who's defining it, but yeah, last reviewer called it fantasy #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik @tamiveldura Yes it does. As do a lot of these sub-genres. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 RT @kurtisscaletta: #mglitchat Katherine Patterson said the best creds for writing kids books is having been a weird little kid. #MGlitchat -9:50 PM Sep 15th, 2011
LianaBrooks Another explanation of science fantasy (and why lit majors hate it): http://t.co/luNa9E8h #mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi RT @LianaBrooks: Another explanation of science fantasy (and why lit majors hate it): http://t.co/luNa9E8h #mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I've become all about the mashup. The book I finished this summer is "fantasy adventure with steampunkish flavor." #mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @LianaBrooks As a bookseller, I've had to explain the terms more often than I can count. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik I've come up with multiple mashup follow ups to that book, all fantasy adventure. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Darn crazy purists. :) I thought SteamPunk was its own genre. RT @KateMilford: @PippaBayliss #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik I like that! Orgiginal. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura so what happens when we microdefine? How far is too far? #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
lexcade RT @LianaBrooks: Another explanation of science fantasy (and why lit majors hate it): http://t.co/luNa9E8h #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @rachelnseigel Me too...#MGlitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson RT @tamiveldura: so what happens when we microdefine? How far is too far? #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @tamiveldura Good question. I think we've already gone too far. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @KristineAsselin @PippaBayliss You haven't lived through insanity till you've listened to a room of nerds (love you, nerds) #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti Does anyone writing MG fantasy change how complex they make it vs. say YA? #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss @KateMilford I agree. Kate, Boneshaker is more fantasy, tho it's been touted as Steampunk ... go figure #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin .@tamiveldura Conversations like this happen when we microdefine. Or we end up with genres like space opera. :) #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Great question: RT @MikeGrinti: Does anyone writing MG fantasy change how complex they make it vs. say YA? #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin It's under the umbrella of Speculative fiction. Also a term I've had to explain- just yesterday in fact! #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @KristineAsselin @PippaBayliss ...discussing whether or not THE DIAMOND AGE is steampunk or neo-victorian fantasy. Not kidding. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @MikeGrinti I think it's as simple as what I said earlier. MG focuses on action. YA adds layers and depth. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Big Bang Theory rocks! RT @KateMilford: You havent lived through insanity till youve listened to a room of nerds (love you nerds) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @tamiveldura I'm fine with two classifications: fiction, non-fiction #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 Supersteamscipunkfantasypararealisticmojo! #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura as we push farther digital, the books are being tagged, unlimited tags per book (check out Amazon) is there a microgenre limit? #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura RT @timothypower67: Supersteamscipunkfantasypararealisticmojo! #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss Has my vote ! RT @jimhill: @tamiveldura Im fine with two classifications: fiction, non-fiction #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin LOL! Love the nerds too. Great conversations like this, I should have said. @KateMilford @PippaBayliss #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @KateMilford @kristineasselin @pippabayliss Wow. #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @PippaBayliss Well, Cherie's Boneshaker is steampunk, straight up, no chaser. Mine has a mere whiff of the steampunkiness. :) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @tamiveldura My big frustration is trying to assign BISAC subject codes 2 books. Sometimes there isn't 1 that fits. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @timothypower67 That's my genre! :) #MGlitchat -9:54 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @jimhill sometimes even those classifications cross, but I'm with you, here. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly RT @jimhill: @tamiveldura I'm fine with two classifications: fiction, non-fiction #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @KateMilford Diamond Age is the perfect example for that too. I mean c'mon, it's def. Neo-victorian fantasy. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
kerryadrienne RT @LianaBrooks: Another explanation of science fantasy (and why lit majors hate it): http://t.co/luNa9E8h #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson @MikeGrinti Word count might make you cut some of the complexity, need to focus on the characters #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @rachelnseigel Got a fantasy-Western mash-up idea for that series. Elevator pitch: Lord of the Rings meets Firefly #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @KristineAsselin @PippaBayliss Nerds rule. I married one. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
hyperlouis RT @timothypowers67 Supersteamscipunkfantasypararealisticmojo! #MGlitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
louisbshalako RT @timothypowers67 Supersteamscipunkfantasypararealisticmojo! #MGlitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @jimhill YOU WERE IN THAT ROOM, WEREN'T YOU?? #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura Does anyone know if a word count has kicked a book/novella/etc out of genre classification? #mglitchat -9:55 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik Wow! That is unique! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @tamiveldura Page count is difference btwn novel and novella, but never heard of it affecting genre. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @john_zeleznik @MikeGrinti I missed that comment, and I meant to say, I think MG can have as many layers as YA. And should! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill @KateMilford only in spirit. Might go to my first Comic-con next summer though. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @rachelnseigel Two others: LOTR meets Smokey and the Bandit and LOTR meets superhero comics. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @tamiveldura Yes, what @rachelnseigel said--I don't see how it affects genre. :) #MGlitchat -9:57 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @KateMilford Agree, I dont' think it's necessary to simplify mg fantasy #mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura I didn't think it would, but I'm learning all kinds of things this chat (science fantasy ftw!) #mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto Every time this gets RT'd, a marketing exec's head explodes: RT @jimhill: Im fine with two classifications: fiction, non-fiction #mglitchat -9:57 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @KateMilford I wasn't implying there can't be layers in MG, esp in fantasy but YA is a different audience. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik Fantasy will ALWAYS need layers. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura Like Shrek. And onions. RT @john_zeleznik: Fantasy will ALWAYS need layers. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik I think any good book needs layers. A 1 dimensional plot is boring #mglitchat -9:58 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi This was so much fun...I have to go now, but I hope to see you next week! #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @john_zeleznik Heck, I think it ALL needs layers. :) #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik Hmm... Intriguing. Not so sure about LOTR & Superheroes, but interesting. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
jimhill I'm fading to black. Great chat. See you in the future. #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime We've been talking about fantasy for almost an hour and not a single person has brought up dragons. :( #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PippaBayliss !!! RT @michaelascotto: Every time this gets RTd, a marketing execs head explodes: #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @PHCMarchesi Great seeing you. Hey does anyone think there's enough interest for a Sci-fi chat? #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @rachelnseigel Gotta be careful, I'm giving away my good stuff. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin @PHCMarchesi Thanks for playing! #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti @yaytime There was totally talk of dragons earlier! #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @yaytime I brought up dragons. we were discussing if they are inherently magical or not #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @tamiveldura @john_zeleznik Precisement. But not like garlic, 'cause that's just annoying. #mglitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @AnshaKotyk I would love that, since that's more or less my genre! #MGlitchat -9:59 PM Sep 15th, 2011
coachhays64 But, the writer must. @john_zeleznik Reader doesn't have to know everything about the world, just what's important to the story. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel @john_zeleznik I promise I won't steal your ideas. :-) LOL! #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson @AnshaKotyk @KateMilford not simplify, but there needs to be enough explanation for younger readers to comprehend #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik @coachhays64 Yah, that was the point I was trying to make. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @coachhays64 I disagree. You just need to know enough to make everyone believe you do. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @PHCMarchesi @AnshaKotyk Yes, yes!! #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin Sure, then I can continue to ponder Space Opera. RT @AnshaKotyk Hey does anyone think theres enough interest for a Sci-fi chat? #mglitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @KristineAsselin :) Have a great night! #MGlitchat -10:00 PM Sep 15th, 2011
librarykelly @rachelgrinti @yaytime I thought there had been! Was it about dragon racing? #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
timothypower67 A lizard is a dragon to an ant! #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
yaytime @rachelgrinti @tamiveldura HA! Okay! Must have missed that in the stream! #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @KateMilford If you smash garlic with the flat of a knife blade and your fist it'll pop the outer layer off in one go #protip #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @MikeGrinti: @coachhays64 I disagree. You just need to know enough to make everyone believe you do. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
tamiveldura @yaytime things move quickly sometimes :D #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @AnshaKotyk: Off to add Sci-fi and other random genres to the chat list...#mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
michaelascotto This was an awesome chat...but I must depart. Thanks for all the food for thought! #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
john_zeleznik There is a #fantasychat from 8-9EST on Sunday nights. And there used to be a #steampunkchat on Saturdays I think. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelnseigel #MGlitchat WOW! That hour just FLEW by! Could go on for hours more, but my dog is pacing. Gr8 chat everybody- Thanks! -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
MikeGrinti @rachelnseigel Ha! Mine too. He does not like #MGlitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel This was a great chat! #MGlitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin @rachelnseigel Night! Great chat! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
rachelgrinti Thanks for a fun chat, everyone! Next week's topic is humor in MG! Bring on the funny! #MGlitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KateMilford @tamiveldura mglitchat/mgcookingtips/mghowtohandlethingswithlayersbeforeaddingthemtothestewthatisyourfantasynovel #mglitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
deegarretson There's an MG I've had to read with my kiddo to explain some of the set-up, she's just not getting the complexities of the world #mglitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
KristineAsselin RT @rachelgrinti: Thanks for a fun chat, everyone! Next weeks topic is humor in MG! Bring on the funny! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Sep 15th, 2011
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