DanyelleLeafty Okay. Everyone ready? Topic: POV in MG lit--pros and cons of different POVsl #mglitchat -9:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
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michaelascotto @mom2busyboys Good to see you! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LianaBrooks RT @DanyelleLeafty: Okay. Everyone ready? Topic: POV in MG lit--pros and cons of different POVsl #mglitchat -9:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
naveltwins Can't stay long tonight but wanted to give a moment of admiration to the late great William Sleator #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty (Ha! With tweetchat slow, I can finally keep up. O:)) #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I personally love to write first person - I feel really close to the character - in his or her head #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone Are you talking multiple pov's at once or which ones to choose? #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull READY! #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
mom2busyboys I think differing POVs in chapters is great if it is done well. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard So. I think the biggest pro of first person is that it is easier to write. #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari I do too. :D #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @AnshaKotyk #MGlitchat Thanks for letting me know! -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin My fave POV is deep third. Close like first, but not too close. IMO. :) #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @naveltwins Good call. #MGlitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elliefalcone Both. O:) #mglitchat -9:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @elliefalcone I think either is worthy of discussion #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari However - 1st person's hard with the description of the character - it needs to be reflected back on the person instead of direct #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull I have been told by several people that 1st person, present is very, very hard to do well. Agree? #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @DanyelleLeafty Me, too! Last week was terrible for me. #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HeleneBoudreau @kamikinard I find 1st person has just as many challenges as third but that may be just me. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi It really depends what you're going for. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elliefalcone I agree. Done well, it can add dimension to the story other POVs can't. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz I think POV is tied to the age of the intended audience. You can do more with upper MG. But keep it simple with lower MG. #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @kamikinard I think that depends on the writer, not all find it easier. I like both, but have only done 3rd with MG so far. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone Well, I know which one I don't like: 1st present. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @jmaschari Same here. I can't hardly do anything with third person. It's a challenge. #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Time for #mglitchat! Hope to see you there :) -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari Definitely! Something I'm still working on. #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @elliefalcone Don't like present, either. #MGlitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I can't be like "I am brushing my long beautiful hair" - if I have long beautiful hair it must be revealed in another way #mglitchat -9:04 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @mom2busyboys Totally agree! #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @HeleneBoudreau For me, it was easier...than my current WIP which is in third. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz For the record, I find 3rd person easier to write. #MGlitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @librarykelly I just feel a lot closer in first person - tried both 1st and 3rd out with my curretn WIP #mglitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty I've noticed that omniscient isn't frowned upon as much in MG. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HeleneBoudreau @jmaschari Re: 1st PPOV I don't think physical descriptions of characters are all that important. Readers tend to fill in gaps. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson I naturally write in close 3rd but feel 1st may be easier to be in the character's skin. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty For me, the story is the one that determines the POV. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer I agree with those who feel there are rewards and challenges with both. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk I'm trying to figure out what POV to use in my current wip, 1st present, or past, or 3rd past. not sure yet. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari With both 1st and 3rd, voice is essential but with first I find the need is more immediate - I need to sound like a MGrder #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi My novel is in third, but there are two main characters - twins - so I didn't want to use first. And it's more detached. #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone I had to switch to 1st to find my voice again after getting bogged down by all the rules. I still prefer 3rd. though. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti I do feel like I see it more often in MG than YA. @DanyelleLeafty I've noticed that omniscient isn't frowned upon as much in MG. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @rachelgrinti I love reading a MG bk with third POV, but am finding it harder to write. But maybe it does depend on the writer! #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @kamikinard I think it can de deceptively easy. Sometimes descriptions of MC are tough as well as "talking" to the reader. #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang Lemony Snicket did omniscient brilliantly. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk YES RT @DanyelleLeafty: For me, the story is the one that determines the POV. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @ErinStull I think they all have their different difficulties. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @ErinStull YES! #MGlitchat -9:06 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @HeleneBoudreau I can see that for sure! for the little bit that you do need, I feel that it can be difficult - at least for me #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @elissacruz Me Too! Deep third is my POV of choice. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto 3rd allows a perspective and wisdom that 1st often wont #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard I agree! RT @LydiaYKang: Lemony Snicket did omniscient brilliantly. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull @DanyelleLeafty agreed #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone I do find 3rd harder to write. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @kamikinard Agree. First POV can get claustophobic. #MGlitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @kamikinard @rachelgrinti I think it also depends on the story. Trick is finding which POV the story needs. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @elliefalcone Agree with that! 3rd is harder for me to write as well. #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer What is "deep third"? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards For some reason, 3rd is my automatic mindset for MG - I think it's b/c I'm thinking younger readers are used to 'being read to'? #mglitchat -9:07 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @LydiaYKang: Lemony Snicket did omniscient brilliantly. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @elliefalcone It's not my favorite to read. I gave to really get into the story. Never tried to write it for that reason. #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @michaelascotto Exactly. Because you always have to stay in character. 3rd frees the author voice, so to speak. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @elliefalcone Funny, I've been a little afraid to try first person POV . Not sure why. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @michaelascotto Agree - it seems like more of an outsider perspective #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard Wish I knew the trick! RT @DanyelleLeafty: I think it also depends on the story. Trick is finding which POV the story needs. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Unless you want that naivete RT @michaelascotto: 3rd allows a perspective and wisdom that 1st often wont #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MiddleGrdReads @smozer Glad you asked, because I had no idea either :-) #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore I use 1st person for writing humor because a lot of it stems from personal foibles & reactions. Easier to appreciate up close #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti It sometimes helps to try writing scenes using diff POV. See what works, what feels good, etc. Sometimes only way to know. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang RT Especially if it's "I...I...I..." @PHCMarchesi: @kamikinard Agree. First POV can get claustophobic. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @jmaschari Exactly! #MGlitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @smozer Where you're deep into 1 character--thoughts, feelings, etc. #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress We find ourselves connecting more with 1st person manuscripts for MG - but there are many great 3rd POV books for this age too #mglitchat -9:08 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @smozer Like first--from the POV of the MC, but written in third. Harry Potter is deep third POV. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @LydiaYKang: RT Especially if its "I...I...I..." @PHCMarchesi: @kamikinard Agree. First POV can get claustophobic. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari RT @JoWhittemore: I use 1st person for writing humor because a lot of it stems from personal foibles & reactions. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Very true RT @MikeGrinti: It sometimes helps to try writing scenes using diff POV. Sometimes only way to know. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WriterRoss I feel less connected to the characters when I write in 3rd. I channel voices of protagonists when in 1st. Senses come alive. #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @librarykelly Do you think 1st POV is deceptively easy? #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Great idea RT @MikeGrinti: It sometimes helps to try writing scenes using diff POV. See what works, what feels good, etc. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @kamikinard @DanyelleLeafty If it makes you feel any better, the only trick I have is to write from both and pick a fave! =/ #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi #MGlitchat@KristineAsselin That's mine also. -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @HeleneBoudreau @jmaschari I agree with this as well. #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @smozer Also, you stay with your primary character for the most part. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone I know story dictates which pov but what is it that says, this is the one to use? Make sense? #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty I really enjoy books with the narrator as the character, although voice is huge here. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @AnshaKotyk quite right; that's why my last book and the piece I'm wrapping are in 1st :) #mglitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WriterRoss RT @JoWhittemore: I use 1st person for writing humor because a lot of it stems from personal foibles & reactions. /Yes, Jo, yes! #MGlitchat -9:09 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Yes, this too! RT @LydiaYKang: @smozer Also, you stay with your primary character for the most part. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @WaldenPondPress I think 3rd person done well reads like first person to me. I feel closeness with the characters. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @earthwards @kamikinard *grin* So long as it works. :p #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @AnshaKotyk Well, could you write a chapter in each and see which one "speaks" to you the most? (no pun intended) :) #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @kamikinard @librarykelly 1st POV is very easy for some, very hard for others. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @WaldenPondPress Same here! I always notice I connect really easily with 1st (drawn to it), but 3rd is stunning if done well! #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @DanyelleLeafty narrator as character...something I'm exploring. :) #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @elliefalcone I can't stand 1st person present tense. it all feels way too immediate and impersonal. like a screenplay. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @WaldenPondPress That's interesting! Mine is 1st person (present). I connect to my MC through 1st person. #mglitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz I'm curious about multiple POV in MG books. Does it work? Share some titles that do, please. #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @jmaschari Yes! This! #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi In the end, you have to go with your gut, but it depends how much you want the reader to know also. #MGlitchat -9:10 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elliefalcone For me, it comes down to what the story is saying and who it's truly about. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk And it's sometimes hard to see in your own work RT @DanyelleLeafty: @earthwards @kamikinard *grin* So long as it works. :p #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @earthwards I have one that started in 1st and ended in 1st, so that was easy, but current WIP has been waffling back and forth! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard Have perferred 3rd person so far, but next one I'm going to try 1st person. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @PHCMarchesi And it just depends on the plot, too. Excellent example! #MGlitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari And then you get into the whole unreliable narrator which is always fun ;) #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @elissacruz I sometimes find multiple POV distracting. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @AnshaKotyk @earthwards @kamikinard Beta readers are worth their weight in gold! #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @kamikinard I hear you - just stick with it, something will 'catch'. I had that problem with my last as well :) #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @spajonas @elliefalcone 1st POV always seems to divide people... #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @elissacruz: Im curious about multiple POV in MG books. Does it work? Share some titles that do, please. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer I think it is good to try it different ways to see which one feels right. #mglitchat -9:11 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull Can you start in 1st, present, go to past, then end with present again--without it seeming cheesy? #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard TRUE! RT @DanyelleLeafty: @AnshaKotyk @earthwards @kamikinard Beta readers are worth their weight in gold! #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
deegarretson I write in close third because I find it comes more naturally to me. If necessary, I'll add in multiple POVs. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore I imagine third person to be great for mysteries, as the distance keeps you guessing and watching. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HeleneBoudreau 3rd PPOV feels a bit detached at times so I write in 1st /convert to 3rd when revising. Lets me get a bit closer to my character. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly Whoa. Tweet deck is slow. #MGlitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @elissacruz Chris Grabenstein's books for kids have multiple povs and it works great. Episodic but I like episodic story telling. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @jmaschari - It definitely can - when I get lost in a 3rd person book I frequently remember it as 1st #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari Do you think your personal writing preference sway 1st vs. 3rd or is it always based on story? I always find myself writing 1st #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas great MG litchat going on right now. I love to hear why writers chose a certain POV for their novels. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @ErinStull I think it depends on the story. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @librarykelly Thanks! :) #MGlitchat -9:12 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @earthwards I'll stick with it! So much time invested! #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti I've seen 1st, 2nd, 3rd all done well, all with their own effect. All have their own traps and benefits. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I'm still trying to think of multiple POV's in MG... anyone? #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer I think it also depends on genre. Fantasy is usually written in third even at adult level. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin I need to try 1st, I think. Started my novel in first, but changed to third. Felt too personal, easier to let go in 3rd. :) #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari I usually start in close third, but sometimes end up having to switch to first. #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz I loved the way multiple POV was used in Larklight, with the MC using narration and his sister through a diary. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard @AnshaKotyk Always harder to see in your own work! #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WriterRoss @elissacruz Multiple POV: Great examples-- Flipped (Van Draanen). THE GIRLS by Amy Koss Goldberg. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @WaldenPondPress I was this way with Hunger Games - I thought for sure it was 1st but went back and it was 3rd (I think!) #mglitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @AnshaKotyk I do, but still in third person. Since I have twins, I often have to switch between their POVs. #MGlitchat -9:13 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @jmaschari I lean 3rd b/c sff is often 3rd. But have made myself branch out and try others to make sure best choice each time. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I'm thinking on it. I think in MG, omniscient is more popular than multiple POVs. I know there are some.. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kidsmomo Have folks read The Kneebone Boy? It's ostensibly 3rd POV, but really 1st by a narrator who won't reveal him/herself. Fun! -Karen #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Very hard sometimes! RT @kamikinard: @AnshaKotyk Always harder to see in your own work! #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JenniferCEstes @elissacruz Summer of Moonlight Secrets by @danettehaworth has 3 POVs, done brilliantly. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @kamikinard Yes. Did that tweet get lost? #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @WriterRoss Oh, of course! I loved FLIPPED. Great example. #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone Tried 1st present once...wrote myself into a corner and couldn't get out. Rewrote it in 3rd. with much better results. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Writing this one down for research RT @elliefalcone: Chris Grabensteins books for kids have multiple povs #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I'm having a hard time thinking of MG ones...everything that comes to mind clearly is YA #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @wtfareyoureadin Oh good! #MGlitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @spajonas I thought I didn't, but depends on the specific book for me and not tense/POV. & then I wrote a YA in 1st present. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @jmaschari - That's a great example - I'd have to look at the book to tell you which POV #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson Both my kids prefer to read in 3rd. They are MG age. Any info out there on what kids prefer? Does it matter if well-written? #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @jmaschari Lean 3rd b/c sff is often in 3rd, but have made myself try others to make sure making best choice each time. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat @ErinStull You can do it if you make it clear you're describing an earlier time ("I love pie. When I was little, I'd hated it.") -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV you're reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:14 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @kidsmomo Loved The Kneebone Boy! So tongue in cheek :) #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis Just said this with no hashtag: MOSTLY TRUE STORY OF JACK & MOON OVER MANIFEST...multiple POV that works in those stories. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi YES! RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV you're reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard @KristineAsselin Interesting. I wonder if I'll find the same. I've alway written in 3rd but am going to try next book in 1st. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV youre reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard Love the multiple POV titles you all are suggesting! #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @LydiaYKang @elliefalcone it's more that I don't like the combo of 1st POV and present tense. it reads wrong to me. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Cool !RT @kidsmomo: Have folks read The Kneebone Boy? really 1st by a narrator who wont reveal him/herself. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer @WriterRoss @elissacruz Wendy Mass is a master at multiple pov; Every Soul a Star, Candymakers #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @earthwards - Definitely - 3rd done well can be as good as 1st. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull @JoWhittemore Thanks! I *think* I'm going that. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @MikeGrinti That makes a lot of sense - I do that at beginning as well or if something is not working #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz And don't forget that lovely 2nd person. I LOVED Choose Your Own Adventure books when I was a kid, and so do my kids now. #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV youre reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JenniferCEstes RT @DanyelleLeafty: RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV youre reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @elissacruz Not to go back two weeks but, The Baby Sitters Club had those big white books where they all contributed. #MGlitchat -9:15 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @JoAnnYhard Since then I've only written in third. Feel like it's time to try first again. Maybe. Unless it's not. :) #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I loved A Tale Dark and Grimm in which narrator addressed audience - so clever and hilarious #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @spajonas Yes, absolutely. It feels very contrived. Very few books do it well. When You Reach Me is one that rocks it. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi 3rd person is great if you can capture the "voices " and language of different characters. #MGlitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @elissacruz I forgot all about those. LOVED Choose your Own Adventure as a kid!! #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kidsmomo Not to self-promote, but we made a "One Story, Multiple Narrators" booklist a while back. Hope it's helpful! http://bit.ly/gPfCCA #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz Me too! :D *wishes they were more in fashion and easier to find* #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @rachelgrinti totally personal pref. I just read a book in 1st POV present & it was a slog. "I run to the door. I open it." no :) #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @elissacruz Was just going to ask if there's an MG now like YOU in YA with 2nd person. #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @KDuBayGillis - We can sense that in manuscripts too - I think sometimes first can really allow in depth character exploration #mglitchat -9:16 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @spajonas I agree 1st present is odd, but I've seen the oddness work. eg. The Mount #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard So true! RT @LydiaYKang Any POV is fine, [if] when you read it, you forget what POV you're reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari *Loved* this book! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @jmaschari I am reading this right now. I love being talked to by the narrator! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @MikeGrinti @spajonas 1st present is odd-always feels weird to me too. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @KDuBayGillis - Can't think of a MG now off-hand with 2nd - Am reading Blink & Caution right now which has 1 MC in 2nd #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz Heard from an editor recently that they wished a CYOA book would exist in PB. We could bring them back! #mglitchat -9:17 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WriterRoss @smozer Wendy Mass! Thx, Stacy. Too noisy here 2 think. People talking to me while typing (and no, not multiple POVs in my head!) #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty The Name of This Book Is a Secret is also a fun, omniscient with secret narrator. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @story_queen I really did as well - seemed very genuine - not just a device #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @DanyelleLeafty I've heard they are either rereleasing them or writing a whole new series of Choose Your Own Adventure. #awesome #MGlitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty I think the present tense feels odd, because we're used to reading in the past--even though we talk in the present. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Great point RT @LydiaYKang Any POV is fine, [if] when you read it, you forget what POV youre reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @elliefalcone I had to open my kindle & re-read portion of it! yes! it needs to be done well. "when you reach me" great example! #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz Awesome! #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @DanyelleLeafty I will have to check that one out. I think I am fascinated by this POV. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @spajonas And that's a clunky usage that would bug me, but not a failure of the tense IMHO. :) But preference is okayof course! #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @DanyelleLeafty I had some difficulty getting into that book just because of the secrets! I felt distanced. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari @story_queen I think that's the key--that the POV & tense aren't a device, but integral to the story itself. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kamikinard Great chat everyone! I need to jump out now b/c we have guests. See you soon! #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @rachelgrinti maybe it's something that should only be done if you have good practice at it? seems to need fine-tuning. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @story_queen Very fun. Fifth and last book is coming out this year, I think. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @smozer @writerross @elissacruz I just finished Candymakers! How could I have forgotten than one! #MGlitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin RT @WaldenPondPress: @LydiaYKang Any POV is fine, [if] when you read it, you forget what POV bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @KristineAsselin It's not for most books. But sometimes it provides a nice sense of oddness and slow now-ness that can work. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari I enjoyed the wacky sense of humor. O:) #mglitchat -9:19 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @kamikinard Thanks for stopping by! #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HeleneBoudreau Missed the snippet re: unreliable narrators a little earlier. Anyone have good examples? #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards Well said! @RT @DanyelleLeafty I think that's the key--that the POV & tense aren't a device, but integral to the story itself. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MichelleDEvans hey mg'ers ... I have an idea floating around but wanted to check a general age range and word count for MG xx #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @DanyelleLeafty It was wacky for sure :) #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore @KDuBayGillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz As long as you can't die with any of the endings! Probably a downer for PBs. #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @MikeGrinti Very true! There are always exceptions...to every rule! #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @spajonas I think that's true of any tense/POV, but perhaps some come easier because we see them more. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @KristineAsselin Because in the end, it's a memorable voice that matters, not necessarily point of view. #MGlitchat -9:20 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard @KristineAsselin Think 1st may suit more internal/emotional stories. Present Tense of Prinny Murphy by Jill MacLean excellent! #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @HeleneBoudreau I don't have as many in MG but in YA Chime comes to mind #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @jmaschari Horton Halfpott was like that, too. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
word_working RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV you're reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @JoWhittemore @KDuBayGillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz *snicker* Yeah. Dying does tend to be a downer. O:) #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen I have written an MG in 1st and one in 3rd (omni) and now I am trying dual narrators. call me crazy. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @JoWhittemore @anshakotyk @elissacruz True...but in MG, death is always an option to up the stakes! : ) #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @JoWhittemore: MWHAHAHAHA! #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer Bamboo People also had an interesting use of multiple pov. Very well done. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @PHCMarchesi: @KristineAsselin Because in the end, its a memorable voice that matters, not necessarily point of view. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LauraLosch RT @kidsmomo: Not to self-promote, but we made a "One Story, Multiple Narrators" booklist a while back. Hope it's helpful! http://bit.ly/gPfCCA #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @MichelleDEvans Age: 8-12. Word count: 30K-60K is average. #MGlitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HeleneBoudreau @jmaschari Thanks, I'll check it out. :-) #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV you're reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:21 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Yes! RT @PHCMarchesi: Because in the end, its a memorable voice that matters, not necessarily point of view. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MichelleDEvans @elissacruz thank you x #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @jmaschari @HeleneBoudreau I loved, loved, LOVED Chime! #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @HeleneBoudreau @jmaschari I loved the language in CHIME. :) #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer RT @LydiaYKang: Any POV is fine, so long as when you read it, you forget what POV youre reading bc the story is so awesome. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @kidsmomo - What a great idea for a list - I'll have to check that out. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kidsmomo @librarykelly: LOVE Candymakers! Great example of how mult. narrators can be used to slowly reveal surprise aspects of the story. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @rachelgrinti this is quite true. I definitely do not see it as often as I do other POVs & tenses. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @KDuBayGillis @JoWhittemore @anshakotyk @elissacruz Yeah, I hated it when I died instead of solved the story. #nomoredeadme #MGlitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I find that certain POVs take some getting used to as a reader - once I am in the flow it is fine but needs some time #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @kidsmomo: Not to self-promote, but we made a "One Story, Multiple Narrators" booklist a while back. Hope it's helpful! http://bit.ly/gPfCCA #mglitchat -9:22 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @kidsmomo @librarykelly I'm going to have to check CANDYMAKERS out. I've been meaning to... #mglitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @MichelleDEvans You're welcome! #MGlitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @jmaschari Wonder if that's b/c we read differently as writers? #mglitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin RT @rachelgrinti: we made a "One Story, Multiple Narrators" booklist a while back. Hope its helpful! http://bit.ly/gPfCCA #mglitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Looks like I'm reading CANDYMAKERS on vacation! #mglitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz @KDuBayGillis @JoWhittemore @anshakotyk Dragonology CYOA books do that. #usuallyendupdead Esp. in book 4. #mglitchat -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @KristineAsselin yes! last book I read was so bogged down by it that it was hard to get into the story (=bad). #mglitchat (@LydiaYKang) -9:23 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti Are there any stories that you think wouldn't work if POV was switched? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @kidsmomo Yes! I couldn't believe how many twists there were in that book! #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard I agree! RT @JoWhittemore I imagine third person to be great for mysteries, as the distance keeps you guessing and watching. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @story_queen I did the same with my first MG, 1st pov and 3rd... craziness. The next 2 are in first... easier? Not sure yet. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson Any info out on what kids prefer? 1st, 3rd, other? Or does it really come down to the story and voice being strong and memorable? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin LOL RT @elissacruz: @KDuBayGillis @JoWhittemore @anshakotyk Yeah, I hated when I died instead of solved the story. #nomoredeadme #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Can't even imagine having the talent to write a book w/multiple narrators! #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @KDuBayGillis I think that is something to think about - I could see that for sure. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @KristineAsselin @rachelgrinti Awesome! Can't wait to read all of these. #mglitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @stefwass It's worth it! #MGlitchat -9:24 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @stefwass It would feel like having multiple personalities! #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @MikeGrinti Great question - I actually think Hunger Games - we needed to be distanced from characters to see whole pic #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @BA_Watson I think it comes down to how well they connect with the story. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @story_queen @KristineAsselin @rachelgrinti seriously... #makingalist #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @BA_Watson: Any info out on what kids prefer? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @KDuBayGillis @stefwass *waves* #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz Do you think age of intended audience affects which POV to use? I wonder if lower or upper MG leans more toward one or the other. #MGlitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @MikeGrinti It's so dependent on the author, the story, the plot. Potentially every story. :) #mglitchat -9:25 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @stefwass I've done it twice. Once, it worked great, and once I had to throw out the parts with the other narrators. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MichelleDEvans @AnshaKotyk @BA_Watson my 11 year old prefers 1st person #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer @BA_Watson I teach 3rd graders to notice pov. Many enjoy stories without really paying attention to who's narrating. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @BA_Watson I've often heard "story trumps all." #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @AnshaKotyk @BA_Watson I think kids just want a well told story. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat @kdubaygillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz You see a teddy bear. If you hug it, turn to p3---The bear was alive. You die. -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @elissacruz: Do you think age of intended audience affects which POV to use? #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @JoAnnYhard @JoWhittemore True. I wrote a mystery that required close 3rd so I wouldn't give away the ending too soon. #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @MikeGrinti Not sure. But I will say I just re-read FROM THE MIXED UP FILES and totally forgot about the POV approach in that #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @jmaschari: @AnshaKotyk @BA_Watson I think kids just want a well told story. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi I think it's easier to connect immediately with 1st, but then it's harder to keep interest as it goes. But again, it depends. #MGlitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass It's hard enough to get ONE voice on-target! And keep it consistent. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @BA_Watson When I taught, it depended on the child. If they were mature enough to want a deeper connection, tended toward 1st. #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone I know as a kid I never noticed any of that. Good story was I wanted. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas @MikeGrinti Hunger Games was really gripping as a 1st person POV. maybe wouldn't be if it were 3rd? #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore @KDuBayGillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz Oh, absolutely! Just...not for the pre-K crowd. :-D #MGlitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi Agree! RT @elliefalcone: I know as a kid I never noticed any of that. Good story was I wanted. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @BA_Watson I'd say the latter, to be safe, but depth of character is so important to MG that I find kids lean slightly more 2 1st #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari As a reader though in grade school, I remember that I would NOT read 3rd person, no idea why :) Read everything now - ha! #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KDuBayGillis @MikeGrinti Those are the best kinds of stories--where the words fall away and leave only the story. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang I agree. RT @spajonas: @MikeGrinti Hunger Games was really gripping as a 1st person POV. maybe wouldnt be if it were 3rd? #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari @AnshaKotyk @BA_Watson Amen to that. A well-told story is all that is really necessary. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @JoWhittemore: evil. and funny. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @jmaschari Funny! As a kid, I never read anything in 1st. #MGlitchat -9:28 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @JoWhittemore @kdubaygillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz What an enticing story! What happens on p4? #MGlitchat -9:28 PM Aug 4th, 2011
deegarretson my older son definitely prefers third, he complains it's harder to get into a story in 1st, might be because he prefers fantasy #mglitchat -9:28 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik What's our topic tonight? #mglitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat @AnshaKotyk Yeeees. I am both. Muahaha! -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @deegarretson I'm glad - because I write fantasy in 3rd - LOLLL #MGlitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Seems like most YA these days tends toward first, and MG tends toward third. Totally not a scientific observation. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @john_zeleznik POV in MG lit. :D #mglitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
himissjulie @kidsmomo Love the Kneebone Boy! I need to re-read, though; I never did decide who I thought the narrator was! #mglitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KristineAsselin I agree. There are exceptions, but that seems to be the norm. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
spajonas met some new writers tonight via #mglitchat ! love talking POV. gotta take off now bc I'm old & project runway is on ;) #gottasleeptonight -9:29 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @PHCMarchesi Funny! Now I encourage students to read out of comfort zone - after I finish a book I can't remember if 1st or 3rd #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards What about POV prefs for different genres? Fantasy vs contemp, etc - anyone notice more of 1st/3rd in any genre? Thoughts? #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Wondering ...RT @KristineAsselin: Seems like most YA these days tends toward first, and MG tends toward third. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @spajonas Good to meet you! #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @jmaschari I preferred 1st in grade school, too. And I don't know why either. #MGlitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @spajonas It was good to have you. :D #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Any opinions on the narrator talking directly to the reader? #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @DanyelleLeafty And it could just be the books that I'm reading. Not sure. :) #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto I think fantasy leans toward 3rd because you're generally building a world, which is easier outside of the characters who live it #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @KristineAsselin Hard to pull of. But if you do, it can be awesome. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @stefwass If the voice is superb, I love it. If not, not so much. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik I am not a fan of 1st person. I prefer reading and writing in 3rd. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @stefwass I like it if it makes sense in context of story. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @PHCMarchesi Also find 1st hard to maintain - easier to fall into shifting perspectives(pop out of the MC's head for a few pages) #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KristineAsselin I think these things go in cycles. :D #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @stefwass Works in A TALE DARK AND GRIMM. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kidsmomo @himissjulie: My guess is Lucia as narrator of Kneebone Boy, but I'm not positive! I love that it's ambiguous. -Karen #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I am trying to think of my fave books and to be truthful, am not sure what POV they were! #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @stefwass it can be very satisfying, but also risks bogging down the narrative #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @stefwass I definitely enjoy this if done well - my last mg was 1st, told as narrator who addressed her readers. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @stefwass I like when the narrator breaks the fourth wall but as long as it doesn't go overboard. But, consistency is key. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @DanyelleLeafty @stefwass I've heard it's a major no-no. But I loved it in Drums, Girls and Dangerous Pie. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @spajonas Bye! See you next week! #MGlitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @WaldenPondPress I find that too. In addition, first can drain the reader. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @michaelascotto I agree about fantasy leaning towards 3rd person. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
ErinStull BAGH! I have to go. Will look for the transcript when i get home. GREAT TOPIC! #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @librarykelly Bye! #mglitchat -9:31 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KDuBayGillis @stefwass I think that's part of what made the story so awesome. :D #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti RT @MikeGrinti: @spajonas @librarykelly Interesting! Some stories need the closeness, some want to let reader be mre objective... #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat As long as the narrator doesn't ask reader ?s, I'm cool w/ it @stefwass: Any opinions on narrator talking directly to the reader? -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @WaldenPondPress @PHCMarchesi Important to stay in the MC's POV if you're writing in first. Like can he see the back of his head? #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @stefwass I think people warn away from it, because it's hard to do well. But not impossible. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @WaldenPondPress - now that I am thinking back to Hunger Games - maybe it was in 1st? I will have to go back and look! #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @earthwards @stefwass I've talked to agents who are totally AGAINST it. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer @jmaschari Me neither. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang Food for thought: More 1st POV in YA than MG bc more female MCs and readers in YA? #mglitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard Me too.RT @elissacruz @JoAnnYhard @JoWhittemore True. I wrote a mystery [in] 3rd so I wouldn't give away the ending too soon. #MGlitchat -9:32 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @stefwass (hehe) As you know, I may have done this once or twice! #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @DanyelleLeafty @stefwass Ooh...I agree w/you! #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @LydiaYKang Good observation. :D #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @stefwass - If done in a unique way, it can work, but it can disrupt the pacing, so I advise caution #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin I wonder...RT @LydiaYKang: Food for thought: More 1st POV in YA than MG bc more female MCs and readers in YA? #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @stefwass @earthwards I'd hard to do well. I think that's why agents are totally against narrator addressing the reader. #MGlitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @librarykelly @stefwass LOL #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene Oops, late for #MGlitchat! Hi everybody! -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @stefwass Did they say why? Re: Agents #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #mglitchat For most first person, the narrator is kind of talking to the reader anyway, right? Telling the reader his/her story? -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @jmaschari @WaldenPondPress 1st person present. Alot of dystopians are. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @WaldenPondPress @stefwass That's why I avoid it. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Excellent point: RT @LydiaYKang: Food for thought: More 1st POV in YA than MG bc more female MCs and readers in YA? #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard @earthwards I find a lot of contemp is 1st. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elliefalcone Welcome! Topic is POV in MG lit. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @stefwass Agents have their own tastes. Not worth changing how you work trying to please specific ones, I think. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @PHCMarchesi Are you leaving, too? #MGlitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @elliefalcone @stefwass No reason given #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @stefwass Nope! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @KDuBayGillis @WaldenPondPress Thanks for clearing up! Interesting! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @AlysonCGreene Hi! Topic is Point of view in middle grade lit. :) #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @MikeGrinti: @stefwass Agents have their own tastes. Not worth changing how you work trying to please specific ones, I think. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @KristineAsselin @LydiaYKang Was thinking along the same lines. Do more boys like to read 3rd person and girls like 1st? #curious #MGlitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @KristineAsselin @PHCMarchesi - Yes! We see that very quite frequently - it's very easy to do if you aren't careful. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @AnshaKotyk I don't find one easier than the other necessarily, it's just the way the story wants to be told, if that makes sense.#mglitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @elissacruz: Was thinking along the same lines. Do more boys like to read 3rd person and girls like 1st? #mglitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @AlysonCGreene Hi! #MGlitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @JoWhittemore Not necessarily. More just seeing things through their eyes. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore @librarykelly @kdubaygillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz p4 isn't pretty. The park ranger shows up & the vicious bear is named...Yogi. #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
wtfareyoureadin #MGlitchat Do you find that the more verbal a character is influences the POV in which they are written? -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @AnshaKotyk: RT @elissacruz: Was thinking along the same lines. Do more boys like to read 3rd person and girls like 1st? #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene Don't know if anyone's already mentioned but @NathanBransford has a great blog post on pov http://t.co/dLcaKcL #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @jmaschari @KDuBayGills - Thanks - I agree, dystopian lends itself to first. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson @jmaschari I forget what POV is used when I love the story. Same for my kids, although they prefer 3rd. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @WaldenPondPress @KristineAsselin @PHCMarchesi I hope not! My WIP is definitely boy-oriented, in 1st person ;) #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @elissacruz @KristineAsselin @LydiaYKang I love to read and write in 1st. More immediate. Feels like I'm really there. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @elissacruz @KristineAsselin @LydiaYKang Never thought it might be a boy/girl thing. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @JoWhittemore I'd always kind of thought so. I guess it's not "direct" though. #MGlitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer Diary of Wimpy Kid is first and boys love it. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @elissacruz @KristineAsselin Or is 3rd POV more accessible by a larger audience? Actually, no. It's all about the subject matter #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I have a lot of boys that read fantasy and I think a lot of fantasy done in 3rd - their pref is for genre not POV #mglitchat -9:36 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @jmaschari: I have a lot of boys that read fantasy and I think a lot of fantasy done in 3rd - their pref is for genre not POV #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress RT @jmaschari: I have a lot of boys that read fantasy and I think a lot of fantasy done in 3rd - their pref is for genre not POV #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer RT @jmaschari: I have a lot of boys that read fantasy and I think a lot of fantasy done in 3rd - their pref is for genre not POV #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore @LydiaYKang True, true. #MGlitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty So many excellent observations. #braincellsimploding #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @elliefalcone I think it's tricky to say "this POV" for girls or boys...I think it's the reality of the characters that matters. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Since I love first person POV, any suggested MG titles? #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @jmaschari good point #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang @elliefalcone @elissacruz @KristineAsselin Actually, I think it's not boy/girl, POV thing, just subject matter. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @DanyelleLeafty: So many excellent observations. #braincellsimploding #mglitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz Thinking back, I believe boys did prefer 3rd, while girls liked 1st. Probably an intimacy thing. #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard @elissacruz @KristineAsselin @LydiaYKang Many of quick reads (prev reluctant reads) are written in 1st. Aimed to include boys #mglitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @stefwass I really enjoyed the Percy Jackson series. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @JoWhittemore @kdubaygillis @anshakotyk @elissacruz Hmm. Ok. What if I choose p8? #MGlitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @librarykelly Wow. I must have been some oddball. I was the total opposite. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari I have yet to have a student say to me, "Find a really great 3rd person POV book for me" - it's always "Find me a good book." #mglitchat -9:38 PM Aug 4th, 2011
mom2busyboys @WaldenPondPress @jmaschari Agreed! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @PHCMarchesi I agree. POV seems more story focused instead of gender focused. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari Not saying POV is not important, it is, but find the best one to tell the best possible story you can #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @stefwass Mine! but it doesn't come out until next fall:(. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @librarykelly I never remember caring when I was a kid. Long as subject/story were cool I didn't care about POV one bit. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
kidsmomo @librarykelly @AnshaKotyk @elissacruz: BUT boys are big fans of Percy Jackson, which is in 1st. Is that an exception? #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @jmaschari: Not saying POV is not important, it is, but find the best one to tell the best possible story you can #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @story_queen @stefwass CONGRATS! Title, please!!! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti RT @jmaschari: I have yet to have a student say to me, "Find a really great 3rd person POV book for me" - it's always "Find me a good book." #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @stefwass I think Walk Two Moons by Sharon Creech nails 1st #mglitchat -9:39 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer @jmaschari Too long to retweet, but so true. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene Lemony Snickett great example of powerful 3rd person pov when the narrator is also a character. so hard to pull off, though! #MGlitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony... #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @jmaschari This! Great story trumps the method of delivery every time. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen Does anyone have a feeling about tense, as in 1st person past or 1st person present? either as a reader or writer? #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @WaldenPondPress @stefwass A masterpiece, to be sure. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat @stefwass I'd say @LisaYee1's Millicent Min & companion books. Humorous 1st POV. (Forgot the hashtag) -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Aug 4th, 2011
BA_Watson RT @jmaschari: Not saying POV is not important, it is, but find the best one to tell the best possible story you can #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone RT @earthwards: POV is one of those things that when you nail it,..sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @story_queen For me, it always comes back to the story. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene I think some people associate 1st person pov with navel-gazing or inner angst, when it doesn't have to be #MGlitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
EmilyCaseysMuse @story_queen It's all about the character. Some characters just write themselves in 1st present. I don't feel like I decide. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @story_queen some have already said this, but I have a hard time with 1st present #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @JoWhittemore @stefwass @LisaYee1 I love those books! #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @story_queen I don't really like the present, because I think it sounds awkward for what I write. Depends on genre, story, etc. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
deegarretson @story_queen as a reader, I find 1st person present very distracting #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @AlysonCGreene: I think some people associate 1st person pov with navel-gazing or inner angst, when it doesnt have to be #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @stefwass THE SEVEN TALES OF TRINKET comes out in Fall 2012, FSG Macmillan. (Thank you for asking!) #mglitchat -9:41 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @MikeGrinti: @story_queen I think you're always okay with past. Present is tricky, but can have interesting effect. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @smozer True... #MGlitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang When 1st POV transcends the "it's all about me" it's pretty great. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty Took me a bit to get used to present tense, but now it no longer bothers me. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @story_queen I'm writing in 1st person present b/c I want reader to make discoveries as MC makes them #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @story_queen Almost always feels like a gimmick to me #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang !!!!! Woot! RT @story_queen: @stefwass THE SEVEN TALES OF TRINKET comes out in Fall 2012, FSG Macmillan. (Thank you for asking!) #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @stefwass Ida B. By Katherine Hannigan: another example of great 1st person storytelling for MG #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @story_queen @stefwass Wow, wow, wow!!!! Congrats! Can't wait to read! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @michaelascotto I kind of do, too, until I read the Hunger Games and didn't even notice the tense. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik I'm still trying to nail the "tone" of MG myself. I have some ideas that I think we'll work as MG. I think POV is part of that. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @DanyelleLeafty Ditto - 1st present was the last tense I tried for my latest and oddly enough it worked. =/ Am reformed. lol #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Ditto RT @KDuBayGillis: @story_queen Im writing in 1st person present b/c I want reader to make discoveries as MC makes them #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @story_queen I think the story has to be immediate enough to necessitate present. We know the mc can't die if it's past #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
EmilyCaseysMuse @story_queen Present tense cannot be forced. It just happens with some stories/characters and it feels right. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @AlysonCGreene I agree. And some think that 3rd is too removed, but some close 3rd stories are more intimate than 1st, imo. #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @PHCMarchesi Maybe I was the oddball! #MGlitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @story_queen Congrats! Exciting. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @WaldenPondPress @stefwass Loved Ida B! #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @story_queen I may have to revisit #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @KDuBayGillis I really like that perspective that you have on 1st person present. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
CarrickJohn @LydiaYKang @elissacruz @KristineAsselin 3rd P lets me cheat: Head Hopping more, 1st P restricted to hero - too jarring too leave #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @librarykelly LOL! #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass RT @KDuBayGillis: @story_queen Im writing in 1st person present b/c I want reader to make discoveries as MC makes them #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @earthwards Me too! Realized it was necessary when I tried to change it into past & it didn't work so well. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Absolutely! RT @john_zeleznik: Im still trying to nail the "tone" of MG myself. I think POV is part of that. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @elissacruz @AlysonCGreene YES!! totally agree with this #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @librarykelly Hi! Yikes, it's hard to keep up #MGlitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone RT @EmilyCaseysMuse:Its all about the character. Some characters just write themselves in 1st present. I dont feel like I decide. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @EmilyCaseysMuse:Present tense cannot be forced. It just happens with some stories/characters and it feels right. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PatEsden Depends on the story. Sometimes trying a new pov or tense can transform a not-so-great story into a fantastic one #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @jmaschari @KDuBayGillis Yes--You nailed it on the head, Kellie! That's exactly why I write first person present! #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @AlysonCGreene Too many "points of view"! Heheheheh #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @EmilyCaseysMuse:Its all about the character. Some characters just write themselves in 1st present. I dont feel like I decide. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik How do we feel about a MG book that goes back and forth between 1st and 3rd. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @PHCMarchesi Thank you! #mglitchat -9:44 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #MGlitchat You know what? I have no shame. I'm also going to suggest mine. The Aladdin MIX ones for humorous 1st POV. @stefwass -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer It is a progression: Picture books, read aloud, are in 3rd. Chapter books then take over, also in 3rd. MG includes 3rd and 1st. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @kidsmomo @anshakotyk @elissacruz I was just giving my observation as a5th grade teacher in rural SE MO. Certainly not the norm! #MGlitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
EmilyCaseysMuse @john_zeleznik Oooh... be careful! You should have a good reason for it! #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
VLeeMahoney RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi Funny thing is, I never even worry about choosing - it's not even a choice by the time I sit down to write the story. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @AlysonCGreene @story_queen Agree with this! Also an element of why I chose 1st person present b/c that affects the stakes. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @DanyelleLeafty @EmilyCaseysMuse But you don't know if you don't try... #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @john_zeleznik Depends on whether it's integral to the story or just a gimmick. For me, at least. :) #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @john_zeleznik Only if it works for the specific story. Not just as a gimmick. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @EmilyCaseysMuse I'm not doing it and don't plan on it. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress @michaelascotto - 1st person boy-oriented can still work well, depends on the story #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @JoWhittemore @stefwass That's quite ok, Jo!!! I enjoy all of your books! #mglitchat -9:45 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @john_zeleznik I dunno...would have to be multiple narrators then, no? It could work. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass @KDuBayGillis @AlysonCGreene @story_queen Ooh...can't forget the stakes #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @MikeGrinti @EmilyCaseysMuse Believe me, I've tried. :D Usually my gut instinct is the one that's right for the story. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @DanyelleLeafty Feel like I need to say "jinx" or something--said the same thing at the same time. :) #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi For me, the bigger challenge was using 3rd person to switch back and forth between brother-and-sister twins. #MGlitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
EmilyCaseysMuse @MikeGrinti My WIP is present. It works for this character. I wouldn't have it any other way. Or... SHE wouldn't have it ... #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @PHCMarchesi Yes - absolutely - story and character dictate! #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @story_queen Almost everything I write has multiple POVs, hence the reason I stick to 3rd. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @john_zeleznik If done well, anything is fine. I would just say make breaks between the switches very clear. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoWhittemore #mglitchat Running away to pack for...uh...a place that rhymes with Malidornia. Great chat, guys! See you next week! -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KristineAsselin Jinx. :p #mglitchat -9:46 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @JoWhittemore Bye! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @jmaschari: @PHCMarchesi Yes - absolutely - story and character dictate! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @JoWhittemore Nice to see you! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @JoWhittemore Have the best time!! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @JoWhittemore See you next week! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @DanyelleLeafty Well then! :) It's certainly not worth agonizing about if something is already working! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @rachelgrinti @john_zeleznik This! So important to keep things clear. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @DanyelleLeafty Great minds think alike! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @earthwards Yes, and we don't even see it. I can't remember what pov some of my fav books are in cuz it doesn't matter #MGlitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly RT @JoWhittemore: #MGlitchat You know what? I have no shame. I'm also going to suggest mine. The Aladdin MIX ones for humorous 1st POV. @stefwass -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @JoWhittemore Have fun! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @MikeGrinti Sometimes it's good to check though. #peaceofmind #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Agree RT @KDuBayGillis I'm writing in 1st person present b/c I want reader to make discoveries as MC makes them #mglitchat #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @KristineAsselin Very true. O:) #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi Great!RT@AlysonCGreeneYes, and we don't even see it. I can't remember what pov some of my fav books are in cuz it doesn't matter #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen I am working on a book and it is supposed to be in past tense, but the narrator just keeps talking to the audience in present #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @john_zeleznik I think there must be a reason for it and it needs to be done well, otherwise it's gimmicky #MGlitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Sign of a good book! RT @AlysonCGreene: @earthwards I cant remember what pov some of my fav books are in cuz it doesnt matter #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Off to read THE SUMMER BEFORE BOYS. Nora Baskin nails MG voice, every time. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @rachelgrinti @DanyelleLeafty My YA books are one POV per chapter. I don't know if I can do that for everything I write. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @DanyelleLeafty You mean always good to have one more thing to worry about? :D #writeranxiety #mglitchat -9:48 PM Aug 4th, 2011
deegarretson @john_zeleznik me too, my next book is mostly close third MC's POV, but I had to add a couple of short chapters from a wolf's POV #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT@AlysonCGreene Yes, and we dont even see it. I cant remember what pov some of my fav books are in cuz it doesnt matter #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @story_queen Well, stories have their own life. We just write them down! #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @JoWhittemore Bye Jo! #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @AlysonCGreene Exactly - you never put down a good book saying 'hrmm.. shoulda been in 3rd..' :P #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
stefwass Thanks for a great chat! #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @PatEsden but I also don't think chaning the pov can be the fix-all bandaid a lot of people think it is #MGlitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @AlysonCGreene: @john_zeleznik I think there must be a reason for it and it needs to be done well, otherwise its gimmicky #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @JoWhittemore Safe travels! I'm headed in the opposite direction tomorrow. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LydiaYKang This was my first #mglitchat. Thanks guys, it was awesome! Gotta run... #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @john_zeleznik @rachelgrinti For me, it's more story dependent than author dependent. :D #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone How do you plot out multiple POV? #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer I write the voice I hear. When the character talks to me, it is in 1st person. When I listen in I write in third. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @LydiaYKang It was good to see you! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi #mglitchat Gotta get going also...loved hearing everyone's opinions and POINTS OF VIEW. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @story_queen I'm having the same issue. My first draft is a mess of past and present 1st. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
word_working #mglitchat (Possible) dilemma in my ms: written in 3rd (maybe 'deep' 3rd). Parents are big part of story... (con'td) #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz I'm curious to read A DOG'S WAY HOME (Bobbie Pyron) because it has two POV: one a girl and the other her dog. #uniquePOVidea #MGlitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti :D RT @earthwards: @AlysonCGreene Exactly - you never put down a good book saying 'hrmm.. shoulda been in 3rd..' :P #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @MikeGrinti *snicker* Just don't tell the other people crowding my head. :p #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @LydiaYKang Great having you! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard Great chat, and my 1st one too! Hope to join in again next time. #MGlitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
story_queen @LydiaYKang My first, too! Thanks for letting me participate everyone. Gotta make burritos now. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @stefwass Before you go, I wanted to recommend Wendy Mass's 11 Birthdays & Finally for MG 1st person. #MGlitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @elliefalcone For me, it all happens organically. #panster #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin RT @MikeGrinti: :D RT @earthwards: @AlysonCGreene Exactly - you never put down a good book saying hrmm.. shoulda been in 3rd.. :P #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone Haven't done multiple (and I'm having hard time spelling it) yet and I can't imagine it would be crazy. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @elliefalcone I sketch out the whole plot, then decide who has the most to lose from each point. Then write from that ;-) #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @JoAnnYhard It was great to meet you. :D #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @deegarretson My writing idol is George RR Martin and his Song of Ice and Fire series. so most of my writing follows that model. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @stefwass Bye! #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer Time to get back to writing. Another great #mglitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @story_queen Glad you could chat! #mglitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @PHCMarchesi See you next week! #MGlitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @smozer It was great to meet you. :D #mglitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
HP4Writers RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Aug 4th, 2011
PHCMarchesi @librarykelly Thanks - see you next week also! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @elissacruz Starting MASTERPIECE: boy and bug! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @elissacruz Huh. Interesting... #MGlitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Great book.RT @librarykelly: @stefwass Before you go, I wanted to recommend Wendy Maas 11 Birthdays. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @earthwards Ooh, I like that! Cool way to do it. I usually start with an MC... but have had to change MCs before part-way, ha. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AlysonCGreene @story_queen me too! but when I do it, it's cuz I'm trying to get a quick cheap emotion and gotta go back and make myself earn it #MGlitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
smozer @DanyelleLeafty You too. See you next week. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone @earthwards Do you find yourself getting confused or bogged down? #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JoAnnYhard @DanyelleLeafty Thanks, great to meet you as well! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari Did want to see if any MG chatters were going to N. Ohio SCBWI conference in Sept #sorryofftopic #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @earthwards @elliefalcone Wow. You're a good plotter. #MGlitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @MikeGrinti It was definitely something I got to from trial and error!! For really complex plots, I just can't pants it :) #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @john_zeleznik We don't quite have the length to play with that GRRM does in MG, ha! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @KDuBayGillis Ooh. Gotta read that one, too! #MGlitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto I got myself a nice hefty to-read list from this week's #mglitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
coachhays64 I think it takes some writing & story development to occur before you can get a real handle on the right POV, especially with MG. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
brittanydhoward RT @earthwards: I think POV is one of those things that when you nail it, it just sounds right. Like a harmony b/t the story and your character. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @KristineAsselin @stefwass Can't wait for 13 Gifts (I think) this fall! #MGlitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @earthwards @elliefalcone Sounds like a good strategy--for me, a central character usually steps forward. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz @michaelascotto I swear you said that last week. #ohmaybethatwasme #MGlitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @MikeGrinti @earthwards So, are you more plot driven? #MGlitchat -9:53 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @elliefalcone It kind of helps me, b/c I'm thinking of how they're both (assuming 2 pov) feeling/acting at all times. :) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @michaelascotto My list of books to read from the chats is so long! #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
john_zeleznik @MikeGrinti Obviously. One of my inspirations was to write a "YA Game of Thrones." But that's a different chat. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @librarykelly @KristineAsselin @stefwass Me too! #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
JenniferCEstes Really enjoyed hearing from everyone.Sorry I didn't say more! Still trying to figure out how to do this twitter chat thing! #dork #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty RT @KristineAsselin: @earthwards @elliefalcone Sounds like a good strategy--for me, a central character usually steps forward. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
rachelgrinti @earthwards I am trying to pants it less often! It would probably mean less flailing around for so much of the early process. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @jmaschari I'm considering it; not too much going in Western PA #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @librarykelly I love a contemporary story with a touch of magic. No matter the POV. :) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @AlysonCGreene @story_queen That was kind of a dirty tweet :D (kidding) #MGlitchat But, a good way to explain it! -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
word_working ... (2 sets of parents) outside of kids' dialogue, id'ing them w/ 1st names to avoid rep. 'her mother,' 'her father' etc (cont'd) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @KristineAsselin: @librarykelly I love a contemporary story with a touch of magic. No matter the POV. :) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @JenniferCEstes It's good to have you. :D (Am trying to keep up too. *sympathy cookies*) #mglitchat -9:54 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis @jmaschari I know @stefwass will be there. I'm on the fence. Just did PB and want to do @mudmamba's online MG course this fall #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
coachhays64 @smozer That may be one of the best explanations I've heard for POV. Thanks! #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @rachelgrinti I know, it's so hard! My first was a pants, but I find that having those points laid out helps soo much :) #sanity #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @michaelascotto It looks like a great line-up of presentations. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @librarykelly Dunno! I usually think in terms of character and situations and only plot later. But that's bitten me before.... #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto I'm going to have to dance into the night...great chat tonight! Really enjoyed it. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari @KDuBayGillis Oh cool! #mglitchat -9:55 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @JenniferCEstes It takes getting used to. #MGlitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @michaelascotto See you next week! #mglitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto Was good to have you. :D #mglitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @word_working Call the parent what the kids would call them. Even in deep third. IMO. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz Before I forget, check the unofficial twitter list of #mglitchat ppl: http://ow.ly/5VGQv Let me know if you want to be on it. #MGlitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
word_working #mglitchat (thanks for bearing w/ me) Because of this, 2 readers assumed the kids called their parents by their first names. Thoughts? -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @KristineAsselin We all need a touch of magic! #MGlitchat -9:56 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @librarykelly I'm only plot driven in the sense that I get three acts sorted for complex stories - otherwise the details get me! #mglitchat -9:57 PM Aug 4th, 2011
jmaschari Loved learning more about and discussing POV with all of you tonight. :)Thanks for hosting this great chat!! #mglitchat -9:57 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk So True! RT @librarykelly: @KristineAsselin We all need a touch of magic! #mglitchat -9:57 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elliefalcone What? Over already? Does this mean I have to go and clean the kitchen? Blaaaahhh #mglitchat -9:57 PM Aug 4th, 2011
michaelascotto @AnshaKotyk @DanyelleLeafty Thanks! Wouldn't miss it #MGlitchat -9:57 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk RT @elissacruz: Check the unofficial twitter list of #mglitchat ppl: http://ow.ly/5VGQv Let me know if you want to be on it. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin @word_working I'd agree. Always feels weird if the 'rents are called by first name unless they really are. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin RT @librarykelly: @anshakotyk We all need a touch of magic! #mglitchat -9:58 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @MikeGrinti That's what I do, too. I guess the was you go about it was different, so I thought it was different. #MGlitchat -9:58 PM Aug 4th, 2011
WaldenPondPress Thanks for another great #mglitchat! :) Have a great night! #mglitchat -9:58 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @WaldenPondPress Good to see you again. Next week! #mglitchat -9:59 PM Aug 4th, 2011
LiteraryAsylum Gaaah - totally missed #mglitchat - because I work and live on the pac coast. :( -9:59 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @MikeGrinti I think that's what we learn here; there's no right or wrong way. Just what's best for U, UR characters, UR story. #MGlitchat -10:00 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards Wow, one of the fastest, funnest chats yet. Thanks to everyone for all the info! Take that LA! ;-) #mglitchat -10:00 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KristineAsselin Good Night all! Thanks to the hosts of #mglitchat! @anshakotyk @danyelleleafty #mglitchat -10:00 PM Aug 4th, 2011
coachhays64 @BA_Watson I think it really does comes down to the story and the voice being strong and memorable. Well put. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk @LiteraryAsylum we will be posting the transcript shortly on the website. http://mglitchat.blogspot.com/ #mglitchat -10:00 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @elliefalcone Absolutely not. #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Aug 4th, 2011
elissacruz I'm heading out, too. Thanks for hosting a great chat, @anshakotyk and @danyelleleafty! #MGlitchat -10:01 PM Aug 4th, 2011
earthwards @anshakotyk @danyelleleafty Thanks for hosting, guys! :-) *fist bump* #mglitchat -10:01 PM Aug 4th, 2011
KDuBayGillis Relaxed chat tonight. Wonder if other MG folks are in Malidornia this weekend like @jowhittemore. Thanks everyone! Until next wk #mglitchat -10:01 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly @LiteraryAsylum Shoot! That's no good. #MGlitchat -10:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk *giggle* thanks. RT @earthwards: @anshakotyk @danyelleleafty Thanks for hosting, guys! :-) *fist bump* #mglitchat -10:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
MikeGrinti @librarykelly Pretty much! Just have to try stuff and keep learning. Wheee! #mglitchat -10:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
librarykelly Awesomesauce.“@MikeGrinti: @librarykelly Pretty much! Just have to try stuff and keep learning. Wheee! #mglitchat” -10:02 PM Aug 4th, 2011
AnshaKotyk Great Chat everyone. Thanks for joining us tonight to discuss POV. #mglitchat -10:03 PM Aug 4th, 2011
How can I find out when the next chat will happen?
ReplyDeleteDuh. Just read directions...can't make this week because of kids' play, but will come sooon...sounds like fun.
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