Thursday, March 7, 2013

Tips From the Pros: Drafting and Revising with Rose Cooper, Greg Fishbone, Jen Gennari, and Tricia Springstubb


KDuBayGillis Hey, everyone! Welcome to #MGLitchat 2nd Annual Tips From The Pros. Tonight, drafting and revising MG. First, @elissacruz wants your ear. -6:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013


elissacruz @tem2 *waves* Thanks for coming! Also, thanks to @RoseCooper, @JenGenn and @springstubb. #MGlitchat -6:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 It's a good night: hot mulled apple cider, a raging snow storm, and #mglitchat -6:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz I do have some #MGlitchat business to share. (1/3) #MGlitchat -6:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz First, @KarenninaPosa has stepped down as #MGlitchat hostess. We wish her luck and thank her for all she’s done for us. (2/3) #MGlitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb Hello! #mglitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper Thanks for inviting us @elissacruz #mglitchat #mglitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz Second, please welcome @KristineAsselin as our new #MGlitchat hostess. We’re glad to have her on board! (3/3) #MGlitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @elissacruz thank you for organizing! #mglitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

the1stdaughter @tem2 Sounds like the perfect way to spend an evening! #mglitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz Okay, back to the chat… #MGlitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

the1stdaughter RT @elissacruz: Second, please welcome @KristineAsselin as our new #MGlitchat hostess. We’re glad to have her on board! (3/3) #MGlitchat -7:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Quick reminder of the Tips From The Pros format: Guests have floor for first 5-10 mins to share tips, then floor opens. #mglitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn RT @elissacruz: Second, please welcome @KristineAsselin as our new #MGlitchat hostess. We’re glad to have her on board! #mglitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis If you have a question for one of our pros, @ them followed by QUESTION in your tweet. #mglitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @JenGenn You're welcome! Thanks for accepting the invitation. #MGlitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Tonight we have MG Pros @RoseCooper @springstubb @Tem2 @JenGenn joining us. #mglitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin Thanks for the shout out, glad to be aboard @elissacruz *steps to the background for the Pros to talk* #mglitchat -7:01 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty Their bios are available here http://t.co/WzZyYnp3r0 but we’ll do a quick one-line intro #mglitchat -7:02 PM Mar 7th, 2013

pragmaticmom RT @elissacruz: Second, please welcome @KristineAsselin as our new #MGlitchat hostess. We’re glad to have her on board! (3/3) #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @RoseCooper is an author/illo with the Blogtastic Novel Series pubbed by Random House #mglitchat -7:03 PM Mar 7th, 2013

pragmaticmom @elissacruz @KristineAsselin When is the #MGlitchat ? -7:03 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @DanyelleLeafty Is that our cue? #mglitchat -7:03 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @springstubb is the author of WHAT HAPPENED ON FOX STREET and MO WREN LOST AND FOUND with Balzer + Bray #mglitchat -7:03 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @pragmaticmom Right now! (And every Thursday 9pm Eastern.) #MGlitchat -7:04 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @Tem2 is the author of the Galaxy Game series with Tu Books #mglitchat -7:04 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @JenGenn is the author of MY MIXED UP BLUEBERRY SUMMER with Houghton #mglitchat -7:04 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty @JenGenn Just a few more intros. :) #mglitchat -7:04 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis And now our Pros have the floor to share their MG drafting and revision tips! #mglitchat -7:05 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone Are we allowed to clap yet? #mglitchat -7:05 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein Hey @KDuBayGillis just wanted you to know I'm lurking! (I promise to be good.) #MGLITCHAT -7:06 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn I like revising better than a blank page -- editing is fun! #mglitchat -7:06 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @elliefalcone Clapping for our Pros always allowed. (Tip jar by the door.) #mglitchat -7:06 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 The best thing I've done lately is to buy a laptop that converts into a tablet. I can write an edit in more places than ever. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb I love being a Pro! #mglitchat -7:07 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Seriously: scissors. scissors. scissors. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Barring that, you can also use a low-tech spiral notebook and then transfer to your computer when you can. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone @KDuBayGillis *golf clap* Unfortunately, I left my purse in the car. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb Stamina, humility, ruthlessness and faith! #mglitchat -7:08 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Either way, turn your down time into productive time by using whatever tools you can. #mglitchat -7:08 PM Mar 7th, 2013

jgetzler @elissacruz @pragmaticmom and (both of your) agent will be on Next Week! With @GeoffRodkey (who's a LOT funnier than I am). #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Think the story is done? Read the first chapter out loud to no one. Are you sure of every word? #mglitchat -7:09 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper I carry a notebook with me all the time for writing and sketching illos #mglitchat -7:09 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Also, split-screen is your friend. #mglitchat -7:09 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 If the manuscript window goes BEHIND your facebook window, you will lose an hour of productivity. Keep it visible! :D #mglitchat -7:10 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper when revising, doing it one chapter at a time makes it seem less overwhelming and more easy to tackle #mglitchat -7:10 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb I always put my work away until I'm able to re-read it with the eyes of a stranger--or even an enemy. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn When I can't find my character's voice, I write a poem. Almost always gives me a scene idea. Always gets me to the core desire. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone Concur. RT @tem2: Also, split-screen is your friend. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 I revise as I write. When I'm finished, I revise more. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper scrivener is an awesome tool! helps to stay organized and lets you see the "big picture" #mglitchat -7:11 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone @tem2 What do you focus on as you revise that way? #mglitchat -7:12 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @springstubb Yes, exactly! #mglitchat -7:12 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 When I start a revising session, I go back a few pages from where I left off. I get a running start to build momentum. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb For me, it also helps to revise from hard copy. Work on paper reads differently from on the screen. #mglitchat -7:13 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper sometimes I'll interview my characters so i can "really" get to know them #mglitchat -7:13 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @elliefalcone I do different things with multiple revision passes. Sometimes character, sometimes plot, sometimes misc. #mglitchat -7:13 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AniProf Hello! #MGLitChat -7:13 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Our Pros have the floor to share their tips for four more minutes, then all the #mglitchat chatters can pummel them with questions! : ) -7:13 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 I have a revision case study that might be useful: http://t.co/lxuHYtI885 #mglitchat -7:14 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @RoseCooper I know a writer who imagines her character taking a seat in a chair beside her desk. They chat. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper once i have everything written in my notebook, i type it into word doc. I often find ways to revise as I do that too #mglitchat -7:14 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Once the story is down, outline or draw pictures. You'll know if you need scissors (I'm a fan of printouts too @springstubb) #mglitchat -7:14 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @springstubb what a great idea! #mglitchat -7:15 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 I keep a separate file with information about the book: people, places, and things. Phrases. Facts. Notes. Deleted scenes. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb Check to see if you've started your story as close to the beginning as possible. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @jenGenn i second that! if i get stuck, i draw some pictures and it brings fresh ideas to the table #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Oh yes, check out Jo Knowles on revision: http://t.co/YrlX2kekSy #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

the1stdaughter RT @JenGenn: Oh yes, check out Jo Knowles on revision: http://t.co/YrlX2kekSy #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 At the start of a new month, I change the name of my current WIP file. "Galaxy Games 2013-02" becomes "Galaxy Games 2013-03" #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

writeforapples RT @tem2: If the manuscript window goes BEHIND your facebook window, you will lose an hour of productivity. Keep it visible! :D #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

ixtumea RT @JenGenn: Oh yes, check out Jo Knowles on revision: http://t.co/YrlX2kekSy #mglitchat -7:16 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @JenGenn She is a genius! #mglitchat -7:17 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 RT @JenGenn: Oh yes, check out Jo Knowles on revision: http://t.co/YrlX2kekSy #mglitchat -7:17 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 That way I have a record of my progress and can go back to previous versions. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @tem2, yup save multiple versions so you can retrieve lost scenes. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper i never start a book at the very beginning for a first draft. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper sometimes i start in the middle. or at the end. and then i piece everything together like a big puzzle. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Ok, #mglitchat crew. You've been patient listeners. Time to ask your questions. Please use QUESTION to get our Pros' attention. -7:18 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 When drafting, I have key scenes in mind and try to navigate from one to the next. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn If you imagine yourself at a reading, do you want to start on page 1, or do you wish you could start somewhere else? Rewrite! #mglitchat -7:18 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper writing somewhere without wifi access can definitely help productivity! #mglitchat -7:19 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @springstubb QUESTION: What did you mean by ruthlessness? #mglitchat -7:20 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty RT @RoseCooper: writing somewhere without wifi access can definitely help productivity! #mglitchat Yes! #personalexperience O:) -7:20 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone @JenGenn That's genius. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @RoseCooper so true! #mglitchat -7:20 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS QUESTION: If you had to say a number, how many times would you say you revise? #MGLitChat -7:20 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @KDuBayGillis You have to kill those darlings! I'm struggling with this in a revision right now. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @Bec_AS Infinity minus one. Or madness minus one? One short of going mad is a good goal. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Can't even count. I revise constantly. My Mixed-Up Berry Blue Summer took 10 years from idea to publication. LOTS of drafts. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Mar 7th, 2013

crwdedtub Love! RT "@JenGenn: When I can't find my character's voice, I write a poem. Almost always gives me a scene idea." #mglitchat" -7:22 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper when it's time for your character to make a deicion, imagine the most unpredictable, worst way it could go and write that. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @springstubb What criteria for killing your darlings do you use? : ) #mglitchat -7:23 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper I revise as i write, then go back over everything once i'm done. you have to know when to stop though. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin Great advice! RT @RoseCooper: when your character has to make a decision, imagine the worst way it could go and write that. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Does anyone else but me give each character a theme song? It helps give them unique personalities plus something to listen to. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty @RoseCooper Definitely one of my favorite things to do while writing. >:) #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis BTW, Pros...you are doing a GREAT job and sharing fabulous tips! #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @JenGenn @RoseCooper @springstubb Did you write another genre before MG and if so, what inspired you to try MG? #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb It can be hard to cut scenes, bits you love and have spent hours on. But if they don't advance the action, or reveal character... #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn My struggle: learning to delay, keep anticipation up. Don't drop tension. (Yes I was never good at keeping secrets as a kid!) #mglitchat -7:24 PM Mar 7th, 2013

the1stdaughter @tem2 I always write with music and love the idea of each character having a theme song. Great idea! #mglitchat -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin I love @tem2 's suggestion to write w/ a split screen...seeing the MS staring at me might distract me away from twitter. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @tem2 I do that too! I'm revising my newest book now and I hear the music playing constantly! #mglitchat -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @janlewis77 I have always written "for all ages", including adults. But MG is my favorite. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

coachhays64 @tem2 Usually a theme group for a character. #mglitchat Spotify rocks for this. -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @janlewis77 I started off writing for adults, but they all said the same thing: "This is great--kids would love it!" #mglitchat -7:25 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin I have a whole soundtrack for my YA. :) RT @tem2: Does anyone else but me give each character a theme song? #mglitchat -7:26 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 Whoops, that should have been for @tem2 also: Did you write another genre before MG and if so, what inspired you to try MG? #mglitchat -7:26 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @janlewis77 I started out writing picture books. Someone said, I love this first page. But isn't a picture book; it's a novel. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @janlewis77 I've written everything from PB's to YA, but my strongest are MGs. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @tem2 Sounds like you were meant for it then. Sorry I accidentally left you off my 1st tweet! #mglitchat -7:27 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @janlewis77 s'okay. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb I spoke to some fourth and fifth graders at a school today. Everything matters so much to them! #mglitchat -7:28 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AngelaAckerman @springstubb Hope it was a great experience! #MGLITchat -7:28 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @springstubb I love that age group. Doesn't it inspire you so much? #mglitchat -7:29 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AngelaAckerman RT @DanyelleLeafty: RT @RoseCooper: writing somewhere without wifi access can definitely help productivity! #mglitchat Yes! #personalexperience O:) -7:29 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper i've also tried to write more "serious" stories but it always ends up as humor. so now i go with it instead of fighting it. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis QUESTION for all Pros: Do you still rely on critique partners? #mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenniferCEstes @springstubb Yes! They can be *so* engaged in their world. Everything is A Big Deal. Friends, food, a flower. Love that! #mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst shoot. how do i ALWAYS miss #Mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper sometimes it also helps me if I act out specific scenes...to see how the character could/should react #mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @AngelaAckerman Hi Ang :) #mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @RoseCooper I always end up too earnest! #mglitchat -7:30 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @RoseCooper I think you discover what you can and can't do. I recently tried to write a mystery: disaster! #mglitchat -7:31 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis definitely!! I also have a few close writing friends that I always bounce my ideas off off. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @KDuBayGillis Absolutely! When I moved away from my critique group, I had to start a new one in my new hometown. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst anyone want to fill me in on tonights topic? #mglitchat -7:31 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AngelaAckerman @janlewis77 Hi !I'm just busy lurking...don't mind me 0_o #mglitchat -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis me too :) lol #mglitchat -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper Hi ! @AmieBorst it's on drafting/revising #mglitchat -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

matt_janacone hi, #mglitchat! -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @KDuBayGillis I haven't relied on a critique group in awhile but miss having one! #SCBWI conferences are great re-juicers. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @tem2 @RoseCooper @springstubb @JenGenn QUESTION: All of you have written sequels (I think). Can you share tips for writing one? #MGlitchat -7:32 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 It's good to try new genres. It's good to stretch. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenniferCEstes For all pros: Have you ever kept your original first chapter? Or, was it lost/deleted in revision? Parts of it kept? #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @KDuBayGillis I have a critique group for my adult fiction. I really wish I had one for my kids writing. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elliefalcone @RoseCooper I do this when I do a read-aloud. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @springstubb @tem2 @RoseCooper @JenGenn what's the best advice you have for aspiring MG authors that is MG-specific? #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @AmieBorst It's Tips From the Pros night. Pros @JenGenn @springstubb @tem2 and @RoseCooper are our guests. #MGlitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @tem2 @KDuBayGillis i love my online crit group. i don't have to worry about losing them when i move :) #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @tem2 @rosecooper I think that's great. Awesome CPs are so important! #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @AngelaAckerman me too! this is my first #mglitchat -7:33 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @tem2 Still struggling with the best way to approach sequels. It's like having a bigger canvas to work with, but new challenges #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @JenniferCEstes good question. The answer is yes, fragments. But sometimes the first chapter is the second chapter... #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis QUESTION: Anything (book, online, class. workshop) that has helped you most in writing MG? #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @elissacruz @JenGenn @springstubb @tem2 @RoseCooper awesome! yay for these fun pros! #Mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper writing each book as a stand alone but enough info in each to connect them. that's what helps me to write a series. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @JenniferCEstes I've kept it in a separate file. None of it got into the book. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @janlewis77 good question about MG: No kissing! #mglitchat -7:34 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb MO WREN was harder to write than I expected. Those characters had gone and changed on me! #mglitchat -7:35 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @janlewis77 I would say best advice is to make voice authentic! you don't want to sound like an old person trying to be young :) #mglitchat -7:35 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @tem2: @JenniferCEstes I've kept it in a separate file. None of it got into the book. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenniferCEstes @JenGenn But almost-kissing? Thinking about kissing? #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @JenGenn: @janlewis77 good question about MG: No kissing! #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein @JenGenn @janlewis77 I disagree. Chaste kissing is fine. #MGLITCHAT -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty QUESTION: What do you find most rewarding in writing MG? Hardest? #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 @RoseCooper great advice! #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Writing for MG--it can be sad/bad things happen/but should have hope. Maybe that's just me. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @JenGenn @janlewis77 O_o! i'm in trouble! #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @KDuBayGillis I try to write books that I would have liked to read when I was a kid. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis reading other MG books helps with motivation and voice, IMO. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenniferCEstes RT @tem2: @KDuBayGillis I try to write books that I would have liked to read when I was a kid. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @JenniferCEstes: @JenGenn But almost-kissing? Thinking about kissing? #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

coachhays64 @tem2 @RoseCooper @springstubb @JenGenn QUESTION: Do you still deal with failures (or get better dealing with it)? #MGlitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @AmieBorst Humor! Essential. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS QUESTION: What is your writing program of choice? Do you love Scrivener, a word doc, paper...? #MGLitChat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @RoseCooper @janlewis77 so no lame words like epic and beast? lol #mglitchat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @AmieBorst Definitely thinking about kissing! #mglitchat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass RT @JenGenn: Writing for MG--it can be sad/bad things happen/but should have hope. Maybe thats just me. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @JenniferCEstes @JenGenn my MC just had her "first kiss" in my last book. my editor didn't object. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @AmieBorst @jenniferCestes on the cusp of kissing is fine :-) #mglitchat -7:37 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @LindaEpstein @JenGenn @janlewis77 Yes on chaste kissing. For MG kissing, no tongue allowed. ;) #MGlitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @springstubb :) #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenniferCEstes RT @elissacruz: @LindaEpstein @JenGenn @janlewis77 Yes on chaste kissing. For MG kissing, no tongue allowed. ;) #MGlitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @coachhays64 Disappointments happen, but you need to develop a context and move on. Someday I'll learn that. :D #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper having your character in "Love" was frowned upon for my MG books. Editor said it was better to have a crush. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

janlewis77 RT @JenGenn: Writing for MG--it can be sad/bad things happen/but should have hope. Maybe that's just me. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @Bec_AS Still just doc. I may have to try this scrivener thing. But it's all about the words. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AngelaAckerman @JenGenn I think every book needs hope. It is the 1 universal emotion that appeals to all readers. We all have to believe in it. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @elissacruz: @LindaEpstein @JenGenn @janlewis77 Yes on chaste kissing. For MG kissing, no tongue allowed. ;) #MGlitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein @elissacruz @JenGenn @janlewis77 Definitely no tongues allowed. No lingering lips. Cheek kissing yes. First kissing yes. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @JenGenn: @AmieBorst @jenniferCestes on the cusp of kissing is fine :-) #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @Bec_AS I use Word, even though I hate it. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @RoseCooper: @JenniferCEstes @JenGenn my MC just had her "first kiss" in my last book. my editor didn't object. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @Bec_AS I use Word, print out and revise by hand, enter changes. I am a dinosaur. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @RoseCooper: having your character in "Love" was frowned upon for my MG books. Editor said it was better to have a crush. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass I think every book needs hope. It is the 1 universal emotion that appeals to all readers. We all have to believe in it. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @Bec_AS all of the above! I don't limit myself to what i use. it helps to use all #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 But the latest Word is optimized for touch screens. I can almost like it. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Mar 7th, 2013

kellybarnhill @KDuBayGillis Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. I nearly walked away from my newest novel. My crit partners turned my feet. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin Love this. :) RT @AngelaAckerman: @JenGenn Every book needs hope. It is the 1 universal emotion that appeals to all readers. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @RoseCooper thanks! #mglitchat -7:40 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @coachhays64 dealing with failures gets easier/better but I don't think it ever goes away. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @tem2 I just bought Office 365. I don't think that newest Word works on my new IPAD, does it? #MGLITCHAT -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin I really really need to spend more time w/ Scrivener...I've heard its fabulous, but I'm not feeling it yet. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 A critique group is especially great when you only have the first chapter or two and need someone to tell you to stop or go. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @kellybarnhill @KDuBayGillis Yay for crit partners! #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

the1stdaughter @KDuBayGillis Hanging out with kids :) #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @WriterRoss I think there is a version that does, but I'm on Windows 8. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb I think we risk failure every time we begin. It's part of creating. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JoWhittemore I think every WRITER needs hope! :) RT @stefwass: I think every book needs hope. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Yes. Think "hopeful ending" instead of "happy ending" #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @springstubb @Bec_AS I think there's something to be said about pen on paper. I used to write my stories that way as a kid. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS @KristineAsselin I'm totally not either- thinking of just going back to Pages. #MGLitChat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn doesn't matter what you use/how you get your story down. Just listen to the music of your sentences. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

matt_janacone @KristineAsselin hi. what's the #mglitchat sub tonight? -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @RoseCooper: @coachhays64 dealing with failures gets easier/better but I don't think it ever goes away. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

DanyelleLeafty RT @springstubb: I think we risk failure every time we begin. It's part of creating. #mglitchat #essentialthingstoremember -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @kellybarnhill @KDuBayGillis And mine guided me to dump an entire manuscript and start over. Best decision I've made in awhile. #MGlitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

writeforapples @KristineAsselin I love Scrivener. It's easy once you get the hang of it. I like having everything all in one place. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Yes! rejection is hard RT @JoWhittemore: I think every WRITER needs hope! :) RT @stefwass: I think every book needs hope. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @tem2 Yes! No sit-coms. #mglitchat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @springstubb: I think we risk failure every time we begin. It's part of creating. #mglitchat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @JoWhittemore My crit partners often restore my hope. They talk about "when" I am published. Not "if". #mglitchat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @tem2 Moved to Windows 8 as well. Ideas for working on Word docs on iPAD and then getting it to PC? (I know I sound challenged!) #MGLITCHAT -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @JenGenn: doesn't matter what you use/how you get your story down. Just listen to the music of your sentences. #mglitchat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS @elissacruz A lil scary, though?? #MGLitChat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @JenGenn yes! that! #mglitchat -7:43 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn RT @springstubb: I think we risk failure every time we begin. Its part of creating. #mglitchat #essentialthingstoremember #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AngelaAckerman @janlewis77 Exactly. Even in the darkest book, there is hope. :) #mglitchat @KristineAsselin @JenGenn -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Think I'm taping this one to my wall. RT @springstubb I think we risk failure every time we begin. It's part of creating. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

writeforapples RT @tem2: Yes. Think "hopeful ending" instead of "happy ending" #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KristineAsselin Tips on revision from MG pros. RT @matt_janacone: @KristineAsselin hi. whats the #mglitchat sub tonight? #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @Bec_AS Terrifying. ;) But good, nonetheless. #MGlitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

theakpal @WriterRoss Use Skydrive or Dropbox or something similar: cloud storage. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS @writeforapples @KristineAsselin I was thinking that the way it gets chunked was distracting! #MGLitChat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JoWhittemore @stefwass Yep! You gotta believe in yourself if you expect anyone else to! #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @stefwass @JoWhittemore those crit partners are keepers! #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @stefwass that was always my motto. It wasn't a matter of IF I got published, but WHEN.Took 6yrs to get an agent, but I nvr gv up #mglitchat -7:44 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @WriterRoss Office 2 HD or Pages #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @tem2: Yes. Think "hopeful ending" instead of "happy ending" #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @AmieBorst speaking of the best crit partner ever! #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @AmieBorst You better believe it! #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @theakpal I will have to learn how to use those... Thx. Bought a keyboard to attach to iPAD... #MGLITCHAT -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @RoseCooper QUESTION Love that you illustrate, too. How do your illustrations change/influence your MG words? #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

hobbitsies @KristineAsselin I draft in Scrivener but revise in Word. Which is backwards, I think. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @RoseCooper: @AmieBorst speaking of the best crit partner ever! #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @JoWhittemore I know it, but it's hard sometimes! #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Craft book: What's Your Story. "Stories are created in layers." -- Marion Dane Bauer #mglitchat -7:45 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @tem2 Hhhm.. Don't recognize those names. Will look into these after chat. Thanks. #MGLITCHAT -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Cloud storage is great for peace of mind. Don't need to worry as much about the inevitable HD crash or making backups. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @RoseCooper exactly! i have one of the BEST. EVER! #mglitchat -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @stefwass Always when, my fair CP! #mglitchat -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

writeforapples @Bec_AS @KristineAsselin I use it until I know I'm not moving anything major around. Then I compile it to Word & work from there. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

MLConklin RT @JenGenn: Writing for MG--it can be sad/bad things happen/but should have hope. Maybe that's just me. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @KDuBayGillis :) #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS QUESTION: What's the best craft book you have ever read? Best revision book? #MGLitChat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @KDuBayGillis None of you live near Cleveland, do you? #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JoWhittemore @AmieBorst @stefwass If I had to choose between my crit partner & chocolate, I'd choose my crit partner. You KNOW that's serious #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @stefwass learned the hard way for me. had one once that said i'd never be published. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis If i can't "see" an image of my character in a particular scene, then I have to rework the text of the story #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

theakpal @WriterRoss #mglitchat. They're not too hard to use. upload from one device to the cloud, DL it to the other.Could even do as shared docs -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @springstubb Hudson, Ohio! #mglitchat -7:47 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis and sometime I will draw what comes to mind and think "hey this would make a great second plot" or something similr #mglitchat -7:48 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss I wish RISK was sold in a box. (And no, I don't mean the board game.) Taking leaps of faith is what holds me back as well. #MGLITCHAT -7:48 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @Bec_AS I like ON WRITING by Stephen King and SOMETIMES THE MAGIC WORKS by Terry Brooks #mglitchat -7:48 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @Bec_AS I recommend Cheryl B. Klein's "Second Sight". She's a dynamite editor and wonderful writer herself. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @stefwass @springstubb Fairview Park! And we meet for drinks and book biz talk. SCBWI stuff too. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @theakpal Thank you for your help! #MGLITCHAT -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @JoWhittemore @stefwass holy serious batman! though, i'd def. do the same :) #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @JoWhittemore Wow! Now that's a great crit partner! #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @stefwass Buckeye! #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @springstubb I need a copy of that. I'm sure it's amazing as she is. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein Best book on craft I've ever read is SECOND SIGHT by Scholastic editor @chavelaque I've given it to all my kidlit clients. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @Bec_AS Also Self-editing for Fiction Writers. Really great. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @springstubb Miami of Ohio alum here! #mglitchat -7:50 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @springstubb @Bec_AS I'm starting a master plotting class with Cheryl this week and CANNOT WAIT! #mglitchat -7:50 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @JenGenn QUESTION: Care to share with us tips on writing/not writing MG "issue" books? #MGlitchat -7:50 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @LindaEpstein Thanks for suggestion; always like a new craft book. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @RoseCooper I think having that visual must be so helpful. I try to watch my MG as I'm writing. Visuals are so important. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis I didn't know she did classes. Do you have a link? #MGLitChat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @springstubb Learned Owl is down the street! #mglitchat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RosanneParry @tem2 I'm not so sure about that. The cloud can crash just like a HD. It's just a server farm after all. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 One thing I learned about writing a sequel. Don't put a cliffhanger in the first book if you don't yet know how to resolve it! #mglitchat -7:51 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @elissacruz To move away from the "issue," the story has to be about one girl, one family. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb If it's an "issue" you feel deeply about, then yes. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @RosanneParry I use dropbox. So that can crash? #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @elissacruz Make it authentic. Make it real for a kid. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @RosanneParry It's distributed, so in theory there are multiple recoverable copies. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @KDuBayGillis You will LOVE it. @chavelaque teaches an amazing plot class. We just hosted one here in my town a few months ago. #MGlitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis it definitely is. I couldn't imagine not illustrating now that i've done it so much. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

theakpal @RosanneParry @tem2 #mglitchat But, it's less likely to happen. This is their business after all. -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @Bec_AS Through Writers Digest. All filled this session. I'll send you link after chat. She might offer it again. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @stefwass I'll be a the Hudson Library Ohio Author day next month! #mglitchat -7:53 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass But make sure the "issue" isn't too scary for MG readers #mglitchat -7:53 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @theakpal I'm confident Dropbox is safer than my own HD. #mglitchat -7:53 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @springstubb I'll be sure to stop by! #mglitchat -7:54 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein Dang! I keep forgetting to put the #mglitchat into my tweets! (See @KDuBayGillis, I said dang instead of... oh, never mind). -7:54 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz @KDuBayGillis Ours wasn't online, of course, but I'm sure it's the same information. Well worth the time and money, imo. #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper I always use a flashdrive to back up my work. But then I lost it. *sigh* #mglitchat -7:55 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Are we doing last word? Read, read, read! Especially when you feel creatively dry. Nonfiction, MG, adult work, newspapers, etc. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass @JenGenn Yes! Read! My library hold list is exploding! #mglitchat -7:55 PM Mar 7th, 2013

coachhays64 @RoseCooper @KDuBayGillis Rose, do you "see" your character dependent on current POV? Or do you always see from 3rd, regardless? #mglitchat -7:55 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @RoseCooper: I always use a flashdrive to back up my work. But then I lost it. *sigh* #mglitchat -7:56 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss @RoseCooper Exactly. What -haven't- I lost? Notebooks from when I was 10. ;> #MGLITCHAT -7:56 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @JenGenn And be hard on your work, but not too hard. Perfect is impossible. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RosanneParry @tem2 @stefwass The cloud & dropbox are studier than an individual HD. I use them too but they have their own vulnerabilities. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Last word: When you find yourself in the zone during a writing session, thank the universe for cooperating. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @springstubb: @JenGenn And be hard on your work, but not too hard. Perfect is impossible. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @springstubb Wait. We don't have to be perfect? :-) #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass Last word: Read your work aloud. Again and again. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis @LindaEpstein You are so Upper MG. Ha! #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis RT @tem2: Last word: When you find yourself in the zone during a writing session, thank the universe for cooperating. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst @springstubb @JenGenn perfect is draining and unattainable. good advice to be "hard" on your work instead! #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb @JenGenn I give us permission! #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

LindaEpstein @KDuBayGillis Nah. I'm just a trouble maker. :-) #mglitchat -7:57 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @stefwass: Last word: Read your work aloud. Again and again. #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

coachhays64 @JenGenn Great, great advice. Reading opens up so many creative avenues. Thanks for coming. #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @coachhays64 I always write/see from 1st pov, but with my curr book I switched to 3rd and it's I love it! #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @JenGenn: @springstubb Wait. We don't have to be perfect? :-) #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

stefwass RT @JenGenn: @springstubb Wait. We dont have to be perfect? :-) #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn Last word (again): Are your characters psychologically true? #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

Bec_AS @RoseCooper @tem2 @JenGenn @springstubb You guys all rocked! Thanks for being our Pro Rockstars!! #MGLitChat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @tem2: Last word: When you find yourself in the zone during a writing session, thank the universe for cooperating. #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Before anyone leaves, a super #mglitchat thank you to our Pros: @JenGenn @springstubb @rosecooper @Tem2!!!! -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 @Bec_AS Thanks! #mglitchat -7:58 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper @coachhays64 it wasn't as hard as I thought and its opened so many new doors. #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

elissacruz Thanks to all who shared tips tonight! Man, I love this chat. #Iambiased #butproud #goMG #MGlitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis You all did a wonderful job and shared so much great wisdom! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @Bec_AS: @RoseCooper @tem2 @JenGenn @springstubb You guys all rocked! Thanks for being our Pro Rockstars!! #MGLitChat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

springstubb Thanks for having me (feel like I'm on NPR)! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

WriterRoss Pros in Prose? <g> #MGLITCHAT -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

PBWorkshop TY hostesses, and @RoseCooper @tem2 @JenGenn @springstubb You guys all rocked! Here to lurk and learn! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis Just a quick plug for next week. Wk 2 of #mglitchat Tips From The Pros: Querying/Working with MG Agents -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

AmieBorst RT @KDuBayGillis: Before anyone leaves, a super #mglitchat thank you to our Pros: @JenGenn @springstubb @rosecooper @Tem2!!!! -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn @KDuBayGillis @elissacruz and others I'm forgetting, thank you! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

tem2 Thanks for making me feel like a rockstar. #mglitchat -7:59 PM Mar 7th, 2013

JenGenn RT @springstubb: Thanks for having me (feel like Im on NPR)! #mglitchat -8:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

RoseCooper Thanks so much to everyone who joined. So much fun! #mglitchat -8:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

KDuBayGillis We have author/agent Pros for Wk 2 @GeoffRodkey @jgetzler @johnmcusick @RyanGebhart #mglitchat -8:00 PM Mar 7th, 2013

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