KDuBayGillis Hey everyone! Time for #mglitchat! Tonight's
topic, quiet v. loud MG books -7:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @elissacruz Nice singing! #mglitchat -7:01 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
michaelascotto Interested in tonight's #mglitchat topic: quiet
v loud MG books #mglitchat -7:01 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder I'm a LOUD author of relatively quiet books...
#mglitchat -7:01 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis To kick things off, I think it might be good to
have people throw out their thoughts on what loud means and what quiet means.
#mglitchat -7:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
AngelinaCHansen Yay! I remembered. Even though I can only
stay for half an hour. Looking forward to the discussion. #mglitchat -7:02 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn So, what exactly is a quiet book? ;) #mglitchat
-7:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn Figured I'd start with the big question. heehee...
#mglitchat -7:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @KDuBayGillis I'm classically trained, you know.
;) #MGlitchat -7:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble #mglitchat I like 'em loud -7:02 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
mikegrinti Are we talking like, books with small scopes and
books with large scopes?? #mglitchat -7:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder Love that. How do you define
quiet? #mglitchat -7:03 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone My computer clock is off. #mglitchat -7:03 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @AngelinaCHansen Welcome! #mglitchat -7:03 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @LaurelSnyder And I'm a quiet author of
relatively loud books #mglitchat -7:03 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss I like to read the quiet stories, write the
loud, action & adventure types! #mglitchat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @mikegrinti That could be one way to look at
it. Loud = large scope. Quiet = small scope. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz To me, loud books tend to be focused more on
plot, while quiet ones are focused on character. It's a spectrum, though.
#MGlitchat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung I'm an extremely loud author of an extremely loud
book... #mglitchat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Are loud books full of action and quiet are internal
struggles? #MGLitChat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis I think this should be an interesting chat on
the heels of last wk's action/adventure chat. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
gailecn My best guess is loud=action, Big Things Happen, and
quiet=not so much action, little things (though important) happen. ???
#mglitchat -7:05 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Quiet = predominantly character driven - Loud =
predominantly plot driven ... I think. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
lisabrowndraws How about some concrete examples, guys? #mglitchat
-7:05 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JennRHubbard The #mglitchat is on right now, to discuss
middle-grade lit. -7:05 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters HELLO EVERYONE! NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN!! *pause*
Too loud? #MGlitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung That I cannot wait to read!
#mglitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz I am both quiet and loud, and I write both, too.
#awomanofmanytalents #ornoneatall #MGlitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites Hmm quiet is the kind of story that makes me
curl up in my head with the characters. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil I've found quiet books can become loud - THe
Underneath for example? #mglitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
dianezahler @gailecn I think you're right. My early books
were rejected for being "too quiet" -- by which I think eds meant
"not enuf action" #mglitchat -7:06 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone Took the question right out of my mouth. RT
@lisabrowndraws: How about some concrete examples, guys? #mglitchat -7:06 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen Do publishers use the term "loud" when
describing books? I've only heard "quiet"...#mglitchat -7:06 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Wot Elissa said ... RT @elissacruz: ... loud
books focus more on plot, while quiet ones focuse on character. Its a spectrum,
tho #mglitchat -7:07 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites & Loud is the kind of book that pulls me
in so I'm enveloped in the story where in quiet I feel I'm pulling the story
inside me. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
librarygrl2 RT @LaurelSnyder: I'm a LOUD author of
relatively quiet books... #mglitchat -7:07 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung I think loud books need the quiet parts too. I
love sound effects & capitalization, but the characters MUST have inner
lives too. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz Example: Percy Jackson=loud. The
Penderwicks=quiet. #Ithink #MGlitchat -7:07 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @lisabrowndraws can we call Beverly Cleary
quiet and Rick Riordan loud? #mglitchat -7:08 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis Aw, thanks. :) #mglitchat -7:08 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Do "loud" books tend to go over better at
the MG level? Do boys prefer "loud" books? #MGLitChat -7:08 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
elliefalcone Just curious but could loud be considered more
commercial and quiet not so much? #mglitchat -7:08 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @Mike_Jung And quiet books need a spark of
loudness, too. #MGlitchat -7:08 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
dianezahler @story_queen Isn't "quiet" almost
always used as a negative? "Loud" is what's often wanted, but doesn't
sound so good... #mglitchat -7:08 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @elissacruz good examples #mglitchat -7:08 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn Mockingbird by Kathryn Erskine...that one seemed
"quiet" to me. Such a good book. #mglitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong I find all Rick Riordon books to be a little too
loud for me #mglitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @elliefalcone I've heard this. Loud= more
commercial and Quiet = more literary #mglitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen @elissacruz I think that makes sense to me.
#mglitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil How about Wonder? seems quiet to me but strong
strong strong #mglitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler @gailecn That's a shame, b/c I
remember loving some "quiet" books as a kid. "Danny, Champion of
the World"...#MGlitchat -7:09 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler @gailecn ..."A Blue-Eyed
Daisy", etc. #MGlitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Okay For Now = quiet (awesomeness) and Rick
Riordan's stuff = loud. Both have to have CD but PD's pace moves faster
#mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Award winning books often seem to be the quiet ones.
#MGLitChat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung @elissacruz Exactly. WHEN YOU REACH ME is a prototypical
quiet book in some ways, but it also contains big, splashy concepts. #mglitchat
-7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
michaelascotto @gilkatgil That's funny, I started to type
Wonder as a quiet suggestion and then deleted it #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
KarenninaPosa Hi everyone! Jumping right in... too loud
& I put book down for a rest RT @Mike_Jung I think loud books need the
quiet parts too. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Me too RT @Jenlinlong: I find all Rick Riordon
books to be a little too loud for me #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen @dianezahler I think you are right.I think
sometimes a quite book might be harder to market..at least that's what I've
been told. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis I'm reading FAKE MUSTACHE with my 7 year old.
Going with loud on this one, but starting off quiet, I think. #mglitchat -7:10
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
rachelgrinti @Mike_Jung I think so, too. Those quiet spaces
where the characters have some breathing room are important. #mglitchat -7:10
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil What about Hugo Cabret? Would
that be loud or quiet? #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters I loved quiet books too. I think
that's why I wrote that way. But it's hard to sell. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
WendyMartinArt I'm reading a quiet book right now.
"Tink" #mglitchat -7:10 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong Rebecca Stead masters the quiet book that has
brilliant loud parts just when you need it. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @PippaBayliss I like this defintion! U think
shyer, more introverted readers would gravitate towards "quiet?" I
know I did. #MGlitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil We spend so much time in Hugo's
head, I would almost see it as a quiet book. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @gilkatgil It's small in scope... quiet just
doesn't fit b/c character isn't, but I think it fits the given definition.
#mglitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @Mike_Jung And I think Savvy has that commercial
concept but has so much "quietness" too. Another master of the quiet
with loud. #MGlitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone I think Rebecca Stead has mastered a lot of
things. She's just awesome. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @ilanawaters I've always been introverted, and I
loved both kinds of books. Lived vicariously thru the loud ones, I think;)
#mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @garbergrumble @lisabrowndraws OMG I love
Beverly Cleary! *starts hyperventilating* Just goes 2 show a quiet book can
take hold. #MGlitchat -7:12 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil @jessStorkwrites I think many nuanced books - like
people - are both extroverted and introverted, no? #mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @KDuBayGillis Yay! I love FAKE MUSTACHE.
Hilarious chase scene. Your 7 year old has great taste. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
story_queen I guess I don't see it as quiet vs loud as much
as very commercial vs....not? #mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KarenninaPosa @ilanawaters Or maybe shyer readers may also
like to experience a loud life vicariously. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil tough one,
literary with nice moments of loud. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung @elissacruz Oh yeah, SAVVY is a great example!
#mglitchat -7:13 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz I love loud books, but I find the quiet ones with
loud splashes tend to stick with me longer. #MGlitchat -7:13 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti I hear there can be some push at the editorial
level to take some of the quiet moments out of mostly-loud books. #mglitchat
-7:13 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis So it sounds as if we are agreeing that loud
books can and should have quiet parts and quiet can and should have bursts of
loud. #mglitchat -7:13 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler That's part of why I love indie
pubbing. I could put out a "quiet" book if I wanted. Though oddly
enough, the... #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong A Monster Calls is a loud book with heartbreaking
quiet parts. So unique #mglitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler ...one I just put out is
"loud." Er, I think it is, anyway. :-) #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
gilkatgil As a reader, I think I prefer books with both
qualities. I hate the glare of too loud and snooze with too quiet. #mglitchat
-7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi Back from Italy today so don't know how long
I'll be awake, but re: Mike's book, it's a page-turner w/heart--loud &
quiet parts! #mglitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kingdomofpatria I think I need some examples. What's a
paradigmatic loud MG? #mglitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @KarenninaPosa ------>@gailecn already beat
you to this thought! #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil I guess it's just the
illustrations that does it for me. They get you inside Hugo's head so much.
#mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @ilanawaters maybe coz they're deeper thinkers?
Complex character/s and simpler story = more emotional involvement perhaps
#mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone RT @elissacruz: I love loud books, but I find
the quiet ones with loud splashes tend to stick with me longer. #mglitchat
-7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung I think the best books spit in the eye of this
kind of categorization, though. A WRINKLE IN TIME, at its heart, is all about
Meg. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @gilkatgil Yes...I like a bit of both in books.
#mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
dianezahler @ilanawaters So how are you defining
"quiet" and "loud"? #mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis So, for folks who are working on quiet books,
how are you adding bursts of loud to your books? #mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
Mike_Jung @NatalieLorenzi I adore you. :) #mglitchat -7:15
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @Jenlinlong I would have called A MONSTER CALLS
quiet and Ness's CHAOS series loud. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @ilanawaters @KarenninaPosa :D B/c great minds think
alike, right? #mglitchat -7:16 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @elissacruz Haha. That's a great way to put
it. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen @gilkatgil I think publishers fear the snooze
factor, definitely. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil @elissacruz Yes - I feel the same way. The splash
of loud doesn't linger. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Good question! RT @KDuBayGillis: So, for folks who
are working on quiet books, how are you adding bursts of loud to your books?
#MGLitChat -7:16 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone I thought I wrote quiet but I now think I have
a combination. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KarenninaPosa @ilanawaters @gailecn I noticed :) slow
fingers tonight. lol #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA Hi #mglitchat. I've been quiet so far, we'll
see if I get to loud #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina I'm write quiet but am forcing my MC to
confront some loud situations. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @KDuBayGillis I'm writing a quiet book, and when
I figure it out I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath, though. ;)
#MGlitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @PippaBayliss I like this line of thinking!
You=smart! You must be introverted. ;-) #MGlitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @NatalieLorenzi Dunno! Sometimes there's a
feeling that fast books should always be fast-fast-fast? Matter of taste in
pacing... #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Maybe quiet books have the stigma of kids not being
able to get into them since they are "waiting for something to
happen" #MGLitChat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @story_queen @gilkatgil true but its the quiet
backlist that often pays the bills. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis I always think my books are loud
and then get told they're quiet #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung It's balance btwn plot and
character. Not every book strikes that balance, hence categorization.
#mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong @JeanGiardina I definitely see CHAOS as loud. The
dramatic illustrations give me the loud in Monster. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @dianezahler Pretty much the same as other
chatters, I guess. Loud=action, quiet=thinkering. ;-) #MGlitchat -7:18 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @gilkatgil Which is a shame because there's a
whole audience out there being ignored to some extent. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
dianezahler Is "quiet" a story in which the action
is mostly psychological and internal and "loud" a story in which it's
mostly external? #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @ilanawaters I don't see why. Shy, introverted
readers read plenty of adventure-y world-saving genre books. #MGlitchat -7:18
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina Sometimes it seems that I write how I feel:
like a quite person in a loud world. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis Is there anyone who's
doing the opposite? Adding moments of quiet to a loud book? And how do you do
it? #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss It's really about keeping the reader engaged
& connected - quiet has to be done well, maybe loud is easier coz of the
action #mglitchat -7:18 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Found this great interview with agent Erin
Murphy and @yourbuffalo on adding loud to quiet books http://t.co/GPIGj0QC
#mglitchat -7:19 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @NatalieLorenzi But I agree, it's all about
pacing. You need those character beats for the action parts to matter. #mglitchat
-7:19 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz I think voice might be a big part of what makes a
quiet book work. If the voice shines, so does the book. #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @Jenlinlong Great point. Those illustrations
could be a chat in their own right. Very loud. Gripping. #mglitchat -7:20 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @jessStorkwrites I think you add quiet by
adding interiority and emotional arcs between the action #mglitchat -7:20 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz (But plot is important, too.) #MGlitchat -7:20 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil I would say Hugo was
a loud book told from a quiet POV. Great mix. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
elliefalcone Is tweetchat slow or is it just me? #mglitchat
-7:21 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil I see books like Hunger Games as raucously loud,
but there are some quiet connecting moments in there. Books can't be 1-note.
#mglitchat -7:21 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Only I like to think so, lol RT @ilanawaters
@PippaBayliss I like this line of thinking! You=smart! You must be introverted.
;-) #MGlitchat -7:21 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @elliefalcone @gilkatgil YES! I feel like I've
been trying to tell people this for years. This is why movies w/car crashes...
#MGlitchat -7:21 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis My MG WIP has the potential to slide to the
quiet side, so I'm adding more stakes/tension to add loud bursts. #mglitchat
-7:21 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jerameykraatz @jessStorkwrites I try to get a solid quiet
moment for every loud one. A meaningful convo for every explosion. #MGlitchat
-7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @mikegrinti @NatalieLorenzi I wonder if
there's a certain type of characters in fast-fast-fast books. What do you
think? #mglitchat -7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @elliefalcone @gilkatgil ...triumph over art
films. #MGlitchat -7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites After first drafts, I sometimes
need to go back and tame the action with more internal issues #mglitchat -7:22
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @jessStorkwrites @KDuBayGillis Maybe more reflection
about the action? The effect of it? It's hard because it has to "fit"
#MGLitChat -7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen @elissacruz Agreed. I'd add that the voice in
any kind of book (if it is the right voice) is what makes it shine. #mglitchat
-7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn Now I'm second-guessing myself...is my loud book
quiet? Any 1st POV of a 12 y.o. girl is going to have beaucoup interiority.
#mglitchat -7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil @elissacruz Yes - well put - voice is it, and
screaming 100% or whispering 100% is not compelling. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @kellandrewsPA: @jessStorkwrites I think you
add quiet by adding interiority and emotional arcs between the action
#mglitchat -7:22 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble Has "volume" changed over the years?
Are Harry and Percy louder than Narnia? #mglitchat -7:23 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil I think that's what makes Hunger
Games stick so much... the quiet attention to the effect the plot has on
Katniss. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis My new
book has several moments like this. Usually when MC is in trubs,
thinking...#MGlitchat -7:23 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
story_queen @gilkatgil Yes. And I would consider HG to be
very High Concept, too. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis ...how in
the hell am I going to get OUT of this? Or: this is crappy. Really crappy.
#MGlitchat -7:23 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @gailecn That's a thought: Does POV make a
difference? #mglitchat -7:24 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @garbergrumble I feel like there is a lot of quiet to
Narnia... #MGLitChat -7:24 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong Too often when quiet is added to loud books, it
comes across as cheesy and forced. Time out for emotion? #mglitchat -7:24 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites How is a measure of learning
more about the character as I draft. On rewrite, I find places to expand quiet
#mglitchat -7:24 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @kellandrewsPA Great thought. I love when
the emotional arcs are caused by the action, the change in the character's
life. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @elissacruz Agree! Well done voice, either quiet
or loud, pulls the book up. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @garbergrumble I do think volume has changed.
Life in general has become loud, and it affects everything, including books.
#MGlitchat -7:25 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS An agent
said today to get your MC in lots of trouble if you feel book is too quiet.
#mglitchat -7:25 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @garbergrumble IMO volume has changed. I blame
it on TRANSFORMERS. If something isn't exploding, no one is paying attention.
#mglitchat -7:25 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @Jenlinlong Right- it has to be true to the
character, and if they are not quiet, it won't read well. #MGLitChat -7:25 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @kellandrewsPA Maybe it's because the
boisterous MCs have such an interesting voice? #mglitchat -7:25 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
mikegrinti @jessStorkwrites Maybe! Sometimes very
action/plot oriented books try to have very blank-slate-seeming characters...
#mglitchat -7:26 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @jessStorkwrites A good example is
@Nikkiloftin's SINISTER SWEETNESS OF SPLENDID ACADEMY - a loud, high-concept
book but with ... #mglitchat -7:26 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @elissacruz @garbergrumble And this could be
why kids might welcome quieter books. To help turn down the volume around them.
#mglitchat -7:26 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @jessStorkwrites ...but that's not an approach to
even big, adventure-y books that I like. Not a fan of supposedly-blank-slate.
#mglitchat -7:26 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @garbergrumble Gadz, yes! Narnia's appeal is
the world, same with Harry - Percy & others face much bigger issues
#mglitchat -7:26 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gilkatgil @KDuBayGillis A good point. #mglitchat -7:26 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @JeanGiardina Yes. Everything is Star Wars.
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @elissacruz agree, what may have been an
adventurous, loud read for one generation looks downright quaint to the next
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @elliefalcone I think it's prob easier to do quiet
with 1st POV and loud with 3rd. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman Any tips on how to approach
this? I'm struggling with that right now. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA ... a lot of emotional depth and growth to the
main character within the fantastic premise (Hansel and Gretel retelling)
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @KDuBayGillis Really? Quieter books seem to be
exactly the kind of volume they'd want to turn down. Too much real emotion.
#mglitchat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @kellandrewsPA EVERYBODY MUST BE HAPPY AND
SPUNKY!!!!!!!!! Or else... #mglitchat I like the quiet characters and their
POV. -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS Do you think kids skip more text in quiet books?
#MGLitChat -7:27 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @Bec_AS @garbergrumble NARNIA!!! #MGlitchat
-7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn RT @KDuBayGillis: An agent said today to get your MC
in lots of trouble if you feel book is too quiet. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
KDuBayGillis @mikegrinti Probably absolutely depends on the
kid...and where they are at in their lives. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @gailecn That's what I'm thinking. #mglitchat
-7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS I think kids skip text in loooong
expository writing. Not the same as quiet. Quiet can be spare. #mglitchat -7:28
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @KDuBayGillis I liked escape. Real emotions, but
in a loud other-place that made them okay. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @KDuBayGillis Quite true. And I think kids bounce
around, some more some less. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @gailecn This is my approach. That a kid can be
quiet and slip quietly into disaster. #mglitchat -7:28 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @KDuBayGillis @jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS Hmmm...if
*you* feel it's too quiet, or *they* feel it's too quiet? #MGlitchat -7:29 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS @KDuBayGillis So right! Especially
if MC is not prone to internal brooding... lol it really has to fit. #mglitchat
-7:29 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA Can't wait to read @nikkiloftin
SINISTER SWEETNESS OF SPLENDID ACADEMY. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @elissacruz @garbergrumble Sister, you speak the
truth! #MGlitchat -7:29 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @coachhays64 Yes, full of spunk with quirks
a-poppin' and all kinds of unusual interests #mglitchat -7:29 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong @Bec_AS I think they skip more when action
sequences go on for pages. Riordon, I'm looking at you. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @gailecn @elliefalcone Quiet is easier to
present and control in 1st person, don't you think? #mglitchat -7:29 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
gailecn @jessStorkwrites I found it easier to write a MC
with a boisterous voice & harder to write a shy MC. #mglitchat -7:30 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites I find a breathing spot, walk
away and figure what MC, actually all characters might be thinking and run w/it
#mglitchat -7:30 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Newbery winners...have a track record of being
considered quietish books? I'm thinking yes. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @coachhays64 @gailecn @elliefalcone Actually, I
find 3rd person easier to write, period. Quiet or loud. #MGlitchat -7:31 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @jessStorkwrites I don't know -- I often find
boisterous characters annoying. Maybe that's adult me reading #mglitchat -7:31
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @gailecn 1st person, or 3rd close, can be
wonderful for that. See: Wonder. Shy MC, but super loud inside his head :D
#mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @LaurelSnyder I like that! #mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis With the exception of HOLES and WHEN YOU REACH
ME. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
RosanneParry @LaurelSnyder @Bec_AS Kids skip text for
different reasons, some skip the fights, some the suspense, some skip the sad
parts. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @coachhays64 Yep, I think so too. #mglitchat
-7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
WendyMartinArt @jodyfeldman I just returned a book to the
library without finishing. I just couldn't care what happened to the
characters. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis When You Reach Me is quiet.
#mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @LaurelSnyder @JeanGiardina Hmm it's sad if
you look @ the old star wars & the new. Less character development more
crashes. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites & get to the heart of their
emotions and figure out a way to show it and quietly, but briefly, move story
along #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @JeanGiardina @elissacruz yes, that was your
cue! #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Ditto - quiet VOICE is hard @jessStorkwrites I
found it easier to write a MC with a boisterous voice & harder to write a
shy MC. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong @KDuBayGillis Graveyard Book #mglitchat -7:32 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @kellandrewsPA I have that problem too. It
usually feels forced and phony for some reason. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
gilkatgil @jessStorkwrites I agree! I can't follow half the
new star wars stuff - so many characters in and out... #mglitchat -7:32 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @WendyMartinArt I hate not finishing one that I
started, even if I skim to the end! LOL #MGLitChat -7:32 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA See, I don't think so. I think
the twists of it make it not so quiet. How about elevated inside voice?
#mglitchat -7:33 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @kellandrewsPA @Nikkiloftin Thanks for the
tip! #mglitchat I'll check that out. -7:33 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @WendyMartinArt Which is a huge problem. In
fact, thought I had a new MC, but realized I didn't care enough about him; he's
gone #mglitchat -7:33 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
WendyMartinArt @Bec_AS I tried a lot. But it was due and I
just wasn't interested enough to renew it. #MGLitChat -7:33 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @coachhays64 @gailecn @elliefalcone I think 3rd
person close is easier. Gives just a smidge of distance to the emotion.
#mglitchat -7:33 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
lisabrowndraws I would not call Cleary quiet. Ramona is LOUD.
RT @garbergrumble: can we call Beverly Cleary quiet and Rick Riordan loud?
#mglitchat -7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Quiet books written well are often so much more
powerful & memorable than the high concept, loud, books imo #mglitchat
-7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @elissacruz HA! Definitely know what you mean.
#mglitchat -7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
chorkie Ready for a stereotype? Girls like quiet books and
boys like loud books. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis Quiet books have twists too.
Quiet books can be grippingly plotted -- it doesn't mean boring or aimless!
#mglitchat -7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @KDuBayGillis @ilanawaters @Bec_AS haha nice
thought #mglitchat -7:34 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
lisabrowndraws I'd call Dahl loud, maybe EB White quiet.
#mglitchat -7:35 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @chorkie LOL Not this girl. #mglitchat -7:35 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
CarrieFryerRice RT @chorkie: Ready for a stereotype? Girls
like quiet books and boys like loud books. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @chorkie I would usually agree, though my 12yo
daughter loves action over "boring" quiet books #MGLitChat -7:35 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @JeanGiardina @coachhays64 @elliefalcone
Interesting! I'm opposite - find 1st POV easier b/c I'm right inside the MC's
head. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @lisabrowndraws @garbergrumble What about
Beezus? She wasn't loud...#MGlitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @lisabrowndraws Yes, I'd agree, for the most
part. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 RT @lisabrowndraws: I'd call Dahl loud, maybe EB
White quiet. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman Then there's Cynthia Lord who writes powerful,
quiet novels; but her PBs are much louder #mglitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis A lot of different things that we consider
loud/quiet: concept, voice, plot, character driven. We need to blend and
balance. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @PippaBayliss Conversely, a mediocre quiet
book is boring, but a mediocre loud book can hold attention. Quiet must clear
high bar #mglitchat -7:36 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @gailecn I find 1st easier to execute b/c it
simplifies POV, but it limits what you can access, and makes things harder that
way. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @lisabrowndraws finding it had to categorize,
Stuart little lived pretty loud! #mglitchat -7:37 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Has anyone read both OLIVE'S OCEAN and SUMMER
OF THE GYPSY MOTHS? #mglitchat -7:37 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss It's hard to infuse quiet MCs with big
personalities but Ramona, Junie B Jones, Doug Swieteck are perfect. #mglitchat
-7:37 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @kellandrewsPA I think this is true! Kids will
sit for bad prose that explodes. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @Bec_AS @chorkie Also w/my 13-y-o daughter!
Tore thru HUNGER GAMES, & now no other books live up to those plotlines.
*sigh* #mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @kellandrewsPA Ain't that the truth. Le sigh.
#mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @gilkatgil I try... for the new generation's
sake. Even dressed up like Padme for the library Star Wars event. #mglitchat
-7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti I kind of feel we're conflating a bunch of stuff
that isn't necessarily related, eg. pacing, character development, scope...
#mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @garbergrumble But the tone of his journey was
quieter. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @kellandrewsPA @PippaBayliss Well said!
#mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder I don't think slow and quiet are the same.
#mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti Also tone! Since @garbergrumble just mentioned it
hehe #mglitchat -7:38 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA @PippaBayliss Heard this today
from agent. Quiet must clear a higher bar. More difficult sell/market.
#mglitchat -7:39 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone RT @LaurelSnyder: I dont think slow and quiet are
the same. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman Thanks for the advice. I think
this will help with my editing. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @NatalieLorenzi @Bec_AS @chorkie Just the
opposite here. My 11yo daughter read 25 pages and put it down. Too intense.
#mglitchat -7:39 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
garbergrumble @LaurelSnyder that's a key distinction, quiet
hero in a loud world vs. Loud hero in a loud world. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
elissacruz @mikegrinti Maybe true, but all can (and do)
contribute to a quiet or a loud book. It's not just whispers or explosions.
#MGlitchat -7:40 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @coachhays64 @lisabrowndraws But "Danny,
Champion of the World" wasn't loud...Sorry. Contrary tonight. #MGlitchat
-7:40 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @elliefalcone @laurelsnyder Sometimes quiet
just means "no obvious marketing hooks" #mglitchat -7:40 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
jessStorkwrites @LaurelSnyder True. When You Reach Me is
fast paced and I think of that as quiet. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @JeanGiardina @NatalieLorenzi @Bec_AS @chorkie I
wouldn't have believed that was even possible to put those down!! :) #MGLitChat
-7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis I still go back to high-concept/commercial as a
loud book with less commercial as quiet. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @garbergrumble @lisabrowndraws Ha-ha--gotta love
that little mouse! Him and Despereaux--2 of my fav. kid rodents. #MGlitchat
-7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites Glad to help. I tend to learn
more about my characters when I'm away from the story; when they invade my
walks #mglitchat -7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @kellandrewsPA: @elliefalcone @laurelsnyder
Sometimes quiet just means "no obvious marketing hooks" #mglitchat
-7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Ah! Penny drops - agree! @laurelsnyder:
Sometimes quiet just means "no obvious marketing hooks" #mglitchat
-7:41 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Is the Hobbit loud or quiet? It sure is slow
... #mglitchat -7:42 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA @elliefalcone @laurelsnyder No
obvious marketing hooks = some quiet books is something I get. #mglitchat -7:42
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites You are a good librarian!
#MGlitchat -7:42 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Jenlinlong @KDuBayGillis I'm reading Summer of the Gypsy
Moths and it's not quiet. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @kellandrewsPA @elliefalcone @laurelsnyder In
loud books, the world is at stake; in quiet books, the MC's world is at stake.
#mglitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites Tsk. The people in
one's head can be so inconsiderate that way. #MGlitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman Yeah, I took some time away
from the story for a fresh perspective. Now I need a strategy to go back in.
#mglitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA @elliefalcone
@laurelsnyder Yes, yes, and yes. I think this is what agents really mean.
#MGlitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @elissacruz I agree. Just not sure how useful it
is to talk about these things in such a conflated way, vs breaking them out
more #MGlitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @Bec_AS @NatalieLorenzi @chorkie Just goes to
show that not every book, even a HUGE commercial one, is for every reader.
#mglitchat -7:43 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder I think we mean altogether different things by
quiet. ACTION is one kind of loud. Big character is another. #mglitchat -7:44
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @kellandrewsPA @elliefalcone @laurelsnyder So,
part of our job is to think of those hooks to avoid the "too quiet"
thing. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @laurelsnyder is brilliant RT @laurelsnyder In
loud books, the world is at stake; in quiet books, the MCs world is at stake.
#mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @NatalieLorenzi That's probably the best
description I've heard so far. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters @jodyfeldman That's how you
know you're a writer: if you have voices in your head. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
elissacruz @mikegrinti Yeah, I understand what you mean.
#MGlitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @PippaBayliss Embarassed to admit I've never read
the Hobbit...or any of LOTR... #mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis RT @LaurelSnyder: I think we mean altogether
different things by quiet. ACTION is one kind of loud. Big character is
another. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters We're all about the life long
love of learning at the library. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @PippaBayliss I didn't say that! But it's
smart. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Hahahaaaa! RT @jessStorkwrites: @ilanawaters
@jodyfeldman Thats how you know youre a writer: if you have voices in your
head. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @ilanawaters :) Tell me about it #mglitchat
-7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters @jodyfeldman ...or you
could be crazy. Just saying. :) #MGLitChat -7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @mikegrinti @elissacruz I think one benefit is
for people who fear the "too quiet" lable to think about how to
address it. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @KDuBayGillis Ach, I refuse to approach it that
way. Thinking about marketing before I write is death of my sanity. #mglitchat
-7:45 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @ilanawaters @lisabrowndraws Yes, that is an
outlier. But, in general. Dahl = Loud and White = Quiet over their bodies of work.
#mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KarenninaPosa Esp. if they talk louder than you do RT
@jessStorkwrites Thats how you know youre a writer: if you have voices in your
head. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone Ain't it da truth! RT @jessStorkwrites: That's
how you know you're a writer: if you have voices in your head. #mglitchat -7:46
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @gailecn Me, neither, but I feel like I should. Right
after I start those Harry Potter books. #MGLitChat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis I think marketing hooks are why
quirks come in. Pitch is "kid who's into weird thing does X," not
"kid who does X" #mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder I think often the conflict in a quiet book is
in layers, depth. Often in a loud book it's on the surface. But not always!
#mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @jessStorkwrites It helps me is to write an
entirely new scene which may/may not ever make the cut, just to get back into
voice #mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @PippaBayliss @Laurel Snyder That would mean that
most contemporary MG is quiet...and most fantasy MG is loud. #mglitchat -7:46
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss hey, don't be embarrassed It needs Peter
Jackson's editing touch ;) RT @gailecn: Embarassed to admit Ive never read the
Hobbit... #mglitchat -7:46 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder I agree. But I like to be
anticipatory. : ) #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS @ilanawaters @jodyfeldman I like to
think I'm both. It makes me feel better. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder Reading LIWilder aloud to my kids now. Those
are some quiet books with a ton of action. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters @jodyfeldman Is it
also a requirement for the voices to talk to each other? #mglitchat -7:47 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @Bec_AS I like that you're going in chronological
publication order. ;) #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @elliefalcone Thanks! My MG had "too
quiet" rejections for ages,then Kirkus & PW describe it as
"quiet" in a good way. Go figure. #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss Hands up whoever DID say it! I wanna know ...
RT @LaurelSnyder: @PippaBayliss I didnt say that! But its smart. #mglitchat
-7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
mikegrinti @KDuBayGillis Point taken! #mglitchat -7:47 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @Bec_AS @jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters Then there
are many, many of us who are certifiable #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @gailecn And that's true -- most contemp is
quiet unless it has a huge hook #mglitchat -7:47 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman Ooooo! Great idea. I'm going to
try that. Thanks! #mglitchat -7:48 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @Bec_AS Or, backwards chornological...ugh confusing
myself now! #mglitchat -7:48 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @gailecn I think that's how a lot of people
would classify them. It takes drama or BIG character to make contemp feel loud.
#mglitchat -7:48 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @coachhays64 @lisabrowndraws Okay, I will
concede that point to you. Mostly b/c you are right. *mutters to self*
#mglitchat -7:48 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jerameykraatz @LaurelSnyder I was just thinking that! Quiet
is the action between the lines. #MGlitchat -7:48 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @LaurelSnyder Just lurve LIWilder #mglitchat
-7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @NatalieLorenzi That's interesting. Did you
revise to those "too quiet" rejections or stay true to your vision of
your book? #mglitchat -7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jodyfeldman @coachhays64 Not a requirement, but a
wonderfully noisy option #mglitchat -7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman That...or you're
schizophrenic. ;-) #mglitchat -7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @PippaBayliss @LaurelSnyder I think it was @kellandrewsPA
#mglitchat -7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites Librarians ROCK. That's why my
MC is one. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz (psst. Just thought I'd share that #MGlitchat is
on my trending list again this week. GO MG!) #MGlitchat -7:50 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @NatalieLorenzi @elliefalcone The world
likes to contradict itself all the time. I'm glad you stuck with it. #mglitchat
-7:50 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @PippaBayliss That was me. :-) Flattered to
have been confused with @LaurelSnyder though. :-) #mglitchat -7:50 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
ilanawaters @coachhays64 @jessStorkwrites @jodyfeldman Well,
it'd be hard to have pages of worthy dialogue without them! ;-P #mglitchat
-7:50 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss @NatalieLorenzi Thank you! #mglitchat -7:50 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Good interview with agent Erin Murphy and
Audrey Vernick on amping up quiet books. http://t.co/GPIGj0QC #mglitchat -7:51
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @KDuBayGillis I added another main character,
actually--single to dual POV. Didn't make it louder, but added more
depth...#mglitchat -7:51 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @NatalieLorenzi I am flattered to have been
mistaken for the clever mind behind this (and also your book looks great!)
#mglitchat -7:51 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @KDuBayGillis @pippabayliss @laurelsnyder It
wasn't me! Sorry, that's a reflex. It was. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @LaurelSnyder @KDuBayGillis Yes--and the death
of originality and artistic integrity at the same time! 3 innocent birds, 1
stone. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters Ok, so I have to come clean...
technically I'm a Library Associate. It's like ninjas for the library.
#mglitchat -7:51 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder One thing we haven't talked about: how, when
you're writing a book that feels quiet, there are moments you feel it gets TOO
LOUD. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jgetzler RT @elissacruz: (psst. Just thought I'd share that
#MGlitchat is on my trending list again this week. GO MG!) #MGlitchat -7:52 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters WE ninjas work there and look
like librarians, but aren't actual librarians. #mglitchat -7:52 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
kellandrewsPA @kellandrewsPA Maybe it was me who said
something else. Which something else was it? #mglitchat -7:52 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn @jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters Ninjas for the
library! Love it! I want that job... #mglitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites There's no shame! I'm sure you
wield a mean set a'nunchucks! #mglitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 I was trying to think of 100% quiet and all that
popped into my head was the comedy of Stephen Wright. Now I'm laughing loudly.
#mglitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @jessStorkwrites Libraries have ninjas? That must
help in getting boys to go to the library to read. #MGLitChat -7:53 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
elissacruz @LaurelSnyder Or, conversely, when you're writing
a loud book that you feel is too quiet. #MGlitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder LIke with hookers and drinking? :
) #mglitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elliefalcone @jessStorkwrites I'm a cataloger but can I be a
ninja instead? #mglitchat -7:53 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @NatalieLorenzi Now I have to know which
character...reading now! #mglitchat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @LaurelSnyder But please don't tell me to add
more explosions. ;) #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
PippaBayliss g2g - been great tweetchatting with you all.
Have a good week! #mglitchat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @elissacruz Yes, probably. But I do find I try
to "even it out." In current book I dropped a scene that was just too
BIG. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi Thanks, @LaurelSnyder! My students and I are
big fans of your books, btw. :-) #mglitchat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS @elissacruz Oooh- now that is a biggie! That can be a
problem... #MGLitChat -7:54 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @KDuBayGillis Um, yes, exactly. But they were
classy in 1937. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder Whah? Hookers &
drinking in #MGlitchat? Where was I? *looks around* (quiet voice) I didn't
bring any hookers. -7:55 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Quick plug for next week's chat: book
clubs/book groups. Join @AnshaKotyk and @DanyelleLeafty for another great
#mglitchat. -7:55 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @elliefalcone Yes! Let's star an alliance.
LIBRARY NINJAS steathily stamping your books. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
LaurelSnyder @NatalieLorenzi That makes me immensely happy.
We should skype sometime. They must be FREAKING out about yours, huh?
#mglitchat -7:56 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Bec_AS I've got to go, too. This was such a great chat this
week. Thank you, everyone!! #MGLitChat -7:56 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @elissacruz Yeah, that's not my MO. But maybe I
should try. <adds explosions> #mglitchat -7:56 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz @LaurelSnyder You're right, it is about finding
that balance. It takes skill (of which I may or may not possess) to find it.
#MGlitchat -7:56 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA @LaurelSnyder @kdubaygillis And if not classy,
often quiet. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder @ilanawaters You can have one of mine. I always
bring extra. (but actually I did have a brothel scene) #mglitchat -7:57 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS We're the best kind of ninjas, we're
so stealthy, you don't even know were ninjas. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
AngieEverReady Hello all: #knightauthor | #storydam |
#mglitchat | .... #chicklitchat ~~~> http://t.co/5EOGMYO5 Some "chick
lit" :) -7:58 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @JeanGiardina My productive night just turned
south because I found this: http://t.co/ze3nj22S So quiet, yet so funny.
#mglitchat -7:58 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis Thanks to everyone who joined us this week.
Love chatting with all you smart MG people! #mglitchat -7:58 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
gailecn Great chat, y'all. See you next week! #mglitchat
-7:58 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @KDuBayGillis Skye used to be Susan, a mean
girl in Hiroshi's class. She kept insisting she had a story to tell, & she
did! ;-) #mglitchat -7:58 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites @ilanawaters Right next to my book scanner.
Of course the pen is mightier than the nunchucks. #mglitchat -7:58 PM Aug 23rd,
2012
KDuBayGillis Oh, and @kurtisscaletta, I think you were
right. We've decided it is a false dichotomy. #quietandloud #mglitchat -7:59 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
LaurelSnyder Super fun! Thanks to everyone. See you again
soon. Now off to read Out of the Easy. Dipping my toe into YA. #mglitchat -7:59
PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 RT @KDuBayGillis: Thanks to everyone who joined
us this week. Love chatting with all you smart MG people! #mglitchat -7:59 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites @Bec_AS ROTF! And in
Washington, a lot of people wear black. THEY DON'T KNOW YOU'RE IN DISGUISE!!
#mglitchat -8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung Sorry, had a screaming child intervention, but
make sure you read @NatalieLorenzi's FLYING THE DRAGON. It's quiet, and
exquisite. #mglitchat -8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina @coachhays64 I love this so much! #mglitchat
-8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
NatalieLorenzi @LaurelSnyder They'd LOVE a Skype visit
w/you! Will email you soon. They are freaking out about FTD--so much fun for me
to see. #mglitchat -8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @LaurelSnyder Oh, phew! For a second I thought
I'd be caught at a chat w/o a hooker wait a brothel in an MG novel?? #mglitchat
-8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
elissacruz Another great chat, as usual. Thanks again for
participating. Thanks, too, to the lurkers. Y'all come back next week, ya hear?
#MGlitchat -8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
coachhays64 @ilanawaters @KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder These
are the reasons #mglitchat keeps trending every Thursday evening. Cutting edge
middle grade. -8:00 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
JeanGiardina G'night all! You inspire me every week.
#mglitchat -8:01 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @Mike_Jung @NatalieLorenzi Which means quiet
with well-placed bursts of loud, right? #mglitchat -8:01 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
kellandrewsPA Thanks everyone! Lots of fun. I thought of
typing in ALL CAPS but that would have been too loud #mglitchat -8:01 PM Aug
23rd, 2012
jessStorkwrites I'm so glad I got off early from work today,
it was great to be a part of the #mglitchat thanks guys. Ninja out. -8:01 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters @jessStorkwrites You are getting so funny that I
may have to read your blog. :-) #mglitchat -8:01 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder Scandalous. #mglitchat -8:01 PM
Aug 23rd, 2012
KDuBayGillis You all did it again! #mglitchat is trending.
Love that. -8:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters I have to go folks. This was one of my favorite
chats! Thank you, hostesses! And, er, also (quiet voice) book launch this week.
#mglitchat -8:02 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
ilanawaters Would I be totally gauche if I gave myself a
tiny plug? #mglitchat http://t.co/vtnn8ubs *runs away* -8:03 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Mike_Jung @KDuBayGillis @NatalieLorenzi Quiet is the obvious
way to describe it, but it has big themes and very cool aerial kite combat.
#mglitchat -8:03 PM Aug 23rd, 2012
Sorry I missed this! Looks like a lot of fun. And I definitely fall into the quiet book camp!
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