Thursday, June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012 - Time Travel, Wishes and Other Plot Devices



KarenninaPosa Hi everyone! I'm ready to hop on the time machine tonight! #mglitchat -9:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf And away we go! #MGLitChat -9:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk Welcome everyone to tonight's #mglitchat! -9:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012



PippaBayliss is it time yet, huh, huh? are we ready to roll? #mglitchat -9:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa I'm hosting tonight's chat with the wonderful @AnshaKotyk #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


christinesarmel Hi! #mglitchat Hoping to learn enough about time travel to send myself to a cooler, less humid place. -9:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


michaelascotto Interested to hear thoughts on plot devices in MG #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Wait! Wait! We need to go back and start again! #MGLitChat -9:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @PippaBayliss it's time! Good to see you! #mglitchat -9:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk RT @AnshaKotyk: So time travel is one of my favorite... YES to Quantum Leap... #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf First, in SciFi, there are two schools of thought .... #MGLitChat -9:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk Tweetdeck is dragging... time delay on #mglitchat. mwhahahaa. okay I'll stop onw -9:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa We listed time travel and wishes as plot devices. Any others we should cover tonight? #mglitchat -9:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss oh yay! if this as good as I expect it to be, I'm coming back tomorrow to do it all over again ... #mglitchat -9:04 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf (a) The past cannot be altered ... period. (b) The past can be altered, but that may create a parallel reality. #MGLitChat -9:04 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KarenninaPosa Alternate realities? Parallel universes? #MGLitChat -9:05 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @aniprof Yes? Waiting with bated breath...2 schools of thought on scifi? #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @KarenninaPosa secret lives/societies? I don't know if you'd consider that a plot device. #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Harry Potter followed option (a). #MGLitChat -9:05 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @KarenninaPosa you're so cute. you know we never stick to an agenda. we'll be all over the place before you know it ;) #mglitchat -9:05 PM Jun 28th, 2012


michaelascotto Plot devices like time travel can't be excuses for anything-goes; they have to follow a rigorous internal logic #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @AniProf I don't really think of time travel as a plot device.... just something I love to read and write about. #MGLitChat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone I'd love to time travel to the future just to be done with these edits. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @KarenninaPosa Breadboxes. @LaurelSnyder #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss can you lovelies define 'plot device' for me? sorry & please, (it's late ...) #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 In MG, plot device use is wide open, as long as it "fits", makes sense, and is not a MacGyver-ish, fall-out-of-the-sky solution. #mglitchat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Wikipedia: "A plot device is an object or character in a story whose sole purpose is to advance the plot of the story,... #MGLitChat -9:06 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf ... or alternatively to overcome some difficulty in the plot." #MGLitChat -9:07 PM Jun 28th, 2012


Feature | Block AniProf "A contrived or arbitrary plot device may annoy or confuse the reader, causing a loss of the suspension of disbelief." #MGLitChat -9:07 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf "However a well-crafted plot device, or one that emerges naturally from the setting or characters of the story, ... #MGLitChat -9:08 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf that's wot I figured - thanx AniProf :D #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf ... may be entirely accepted, or may even be unnoticed by the audience." #MGLitChat -9:08 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen !!!RT @michaelascotto: Plot devices like time travel can't be excuses for anything-goes; they have to follow an... internal logic #mglitchat -9:08 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @PippaBayliss shhh. We need the appearance of being organized. 'least, til the unicorns come or the frogs or whatever it is. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @michaelascotto This is very true, no excuses in the use of said plot device. #mglitchat -9:09 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf As a college prof, I know that before one engages in a discussion, definitions need to be agreed on. #MGLitChat -9:09 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen I agree the important thing w/plot devices is that they follow rules, even if u make them up #mglitchat esp. #timetravel -9:10 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @AniProf So the goal then, is to properly setup your plot device so it does not look contrived, but natural. #MGLitChat -9:10 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf So, let's get specific. Any titles where time travel, or wishes, were a prominent feature? #MGLitChat -9:10 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss ;) snork! RT @KarenninaPosa: shhh. We need the appearance of being organized til the unicorns come or the frogs or whatever #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa RT @michaelascotto: Plot devices eg. time travel cant be excuses for anything-goes; they have to follow a rigorous internal logic #mglitchat -9:11 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @AnshaKotyk Precisely. The reader should not "notice" the plot device. #MGLitChat -9:12 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen Right. The setup needs to happen so it appears natural to the story. #mglitchat #timetravel -9:12 PM Jun 28th, 2012


Mike_Jung WHEN YOU REACH ME is right up there at the top. Time travel is very much a plot device, used subtly and powerfully. #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @AnshaKotyk @AniProf So a plot device shouldn't look like a device at all, but is natural, organic to the story #mglitchat -9:12 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @AniProf Titles: 11 Birthdays (#wish? Maybe?) and my book #timetravel ;) #mglitchat would love other timetravel titles! -9:12 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone When You Reach Me #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf Does Doctor Who count? #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen Haddix has a series... #wish #timetravel #mglitchat -9:13 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf All elements of a story, including plot devices, need to look natural. However, time travel can be a harder sell. #MGLitChat -9:13 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @PippaBayliss Dr. Who is an "anything goes" scenario. #MGLitChat -9:14 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Wishes == Magic ... Yes? #MGLitChat -9:14 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk The Missing series... time travel ... fun!RT @AnshaKotyk: @anglarsen Haddix has a series... #wish #timetravel #mglitchat -9:14 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis Also BIGGER THAN A BREADBOX, wishes via a breadbox. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti Sneaking in late, was finishing my dinner! #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


Mike_Jung An upcoming MG is KATERINA'S WISH by Jeannie Mobley. It plays off an old folk story about a magical carp that grants wishes. #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa So something that moves the story from ordinary world to exotic world is a plot device? Eg., tesseract in A Wrinkle in Time? #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @rachelgrinti *waves* hi! #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen "LOST" was so irritating b/c they used EVERY plot device with no rules. Drove me bonkers (not MG, but instructive) #mglitchat -9:15 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KarenninaPosa Exotic? Not necessarily. A plot device could be a briefcase that everyone is after. #MGLitChat -9:16 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Time Warp Trio comes to mind - lots of fun, lots of history, not so much sci-fi #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 28th, 2012


michaelascotto @KDuBayGillis Breadbox sets strong "rules" and uses them masterfully #mglitchat -9:16 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone Flight by Sherman Alexie is another although definitely YA and not MG. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 28th, 2012


kurtisscaletta So is the topic #timetravel? #mglitchat I'll go back fifteen minutes so I can start at the beginning. -9:17 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen So THAT's why I couldn't get into it. ;) Rules are very important for a good suspension of disbelief. #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen RT @karenninaposa: So something that moves the story from ordinary world to exotic world is a plot device? ... A Wrinkle in Time? #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @AniProf I meant "exotic world" as in the story world, not the ordinary world of the character #mglitchat -9:17 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Re Time Travel: Needs to have firm rules on how it works, with absolutely nothing that violates those rules. #MGLitChat -9:18 PM Jun 28th, 2012


vickijohnson RT @LaurelSnyder: I'm really really in a #mglitchat mood today. -9:18 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @kurtisscaletta And other such plot devices. :) #timetravel #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 28th, 2012


bonnyglen @Mike_Jung I saw KATERINA'S WISH at ALA--gorgeous cover. Looks like my kind of book. #mglitchat -9:18 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KarenninaPosa Again, exotic not always. Could be ordinary world as well. #MGLitChat -9:18 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @AnshaKotyk LOL...yes, that's why you couldn't get into Lost ;-) Not b/c u had writing to do! #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @AniProf Look natural like a portkey in Harry Potter. Time travel devices which are a technology are harder to make natural. #mglitchat -9:19 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf BTW, MG SciFi is WHAT I write. #MGLitChat -9:19 PM Jun 28th, 2012


Bethyo @AnshaKotyk Ooh, I really like the Missing series, but I've been stuck on book three for quite some time. #mglitchat #timetravel -9:19 PM Jun 28th, 2012


vickijohnson #mglitchat I'm time traveling (in a different time zone on vacation) but I'm here! -9:19 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen Exactly... but yeah, I did kinda quit TV when I started writing, (my own stories are more fun to follow) *giggle* #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PBWorkshop Just stopped by to see the topic but will have to time warp to the archive later- great examples so far! Chat on, chat on. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @coachhays64 Harry Potter plot devices worked because J.K. made sure they all fit together with their own logic. #MGLitChat -9:20 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss When I started subbing, time travel was cold. Now light sci-fi is getting hot so we shld see a lot more of it. #mglitchat -9:20 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Question: is #timetravel necessarily SciFi? Just curious... #mglitchat what do u think, @AniProf ? -9:20 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @Bethyo I never got beyond book 2... I liked it but, so many books, so little time... #mglitchat #timetravel -9:21 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @vickijohnson Wow, Vaca and still at #mglitchat. That's plain awesome. -9:21 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @anglarsen True time travel is SciFi, no doubt. But, it could also be fantasy if supported by magic. #MGLitChat -9:22 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PBWorkshop oops, have to stay long enough to mention @LaurelSnyder's Any Which Wall- a perfect device. #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @PBWorkshop bye - sorry you can't join us, but enjoy the archive #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen Scifi has to have Science playing a central role in the story... I don't think that's necessarily all timetravel #mglitchat -9:22 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf If time travel is via magic, then all rules of science go out the window. #MGLitChat -9:22 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @aniprof Thanks! Great explanation! re: #timetravel scifi and magic! #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk What are some other plot devices? Do vampires count? mwhahaha? How about zombies? #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PBWorkshop For younger readers, Magic Treehouse series is a great way to build their capacity for sorting fact and fantasy. I'm gone now!!! #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss according to BEA reports we will be seeing a mix of sci-fi & fantasy, a merging of the genres. This will be awesome if done well #mglitchat -9:24 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Question: How do you feel about time travel that plays it loose with changing the past? #MGLitChat -9:25 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone Time traveling zombies. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss How scientific is MG sci-fi? RT @AniProf: If time travel is via magic, then all rules of science go out the window. #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @anshakotyk Good point, too! Maybe all #timetravel has "rules" and those rules can be fictional but have to appear scientific? #mglitchat -9:25 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @PippaBayliss Awesome on the BEA reports. Love the stuff. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @elliefalcone Oooh, I could eat that up! #MGLitChat -9:26 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @AniProf time travel with loose rules confuses me. #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf What do you mean by 'playing it loose'? #mglitchat -9:26 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @AniProf Bwhahahahaha! #MGLitChat -9:27 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @PippaBayliss MG SciFi "Should" be as scientific as any other reading level SciFi. Of course, science changes over time. #MGLitChat -9:27 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa Magic, time travel, portkey, they must all have rules to work. #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone @AniProf As in, "Braaaiiiiiinnns" or you like the idea? #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @aniprof No prob about changing the past. My one rule: do it well and I don't care ;-) #mglitchat -9:27 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @PippaBayliss Playing it loose == The past can be rewritten and rewritten and rewritten ... Think Back to the Future. #MGLitChat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin I'm late to mglitchat, but I LOVE me some time travel... #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea I've read/reviewed quite a number of time travel bks lately. My opinion? #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @michaelascotto @KDuBayGillis I also like the Portsmouth to move between spaces in @kellybarnhill's The Mostly True Story of Jack #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @elliefalcone Actually, cow's brains taste wonderful, sauteed. #MGLitChat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin I just KNEW you'd arrive... #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea I hate the ones where the character just 'shows' up back in time without any kind of explanation or consequence. #mglitchat -9:28 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea You'd be surprised how many of those are out there. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @elliefalcone Seriously, it would be a great premise for a humorous MG novel. #MGLitChat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea There was one MG Cybil's nominated MG I read that I loved. It actually made 'sense' to me. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti @ixtumea You mean when they manage to blend in or bluff their way through with few problems re: dress/speech/behavior? #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone @AniProf Are you going to write it? #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin My fave...The Time Travelers by Linda Buckley-Archer. Great MG trilogy. Well done on the science, IMO. #mglitchat -9:29 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @ixtumea Yes! those "magical" devices where you're just supposed to go w/it w/out asking questions no worky #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @rachelgrinti Yes, exactly! #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KristineAsselin Yes, this is the one I loved! I read it as a Cybils panelist and was won over. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin I still haven't read those... must add to list. #mglitchat -9:30 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti @ixtumea @KristineAsselin I'll have to try that one! #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea I just finished reading SO CLOSE TO YOU and it made sense to me too as it had consequences to messing with the time line. #mglitchat -9:31 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @elliefalcone BTW, would you like to write a short piece for my online MG mag? #MGLitChat -9:32 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @KristineAsselin You beat me to it! Read Gideon the Cutpurse last year and loved it! #mglitchat -9:32 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @AnshaKotyk You'll love them. Listen to them, if you can. Gerard Doyle reads and is wonderful. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Kids aren't stoopid, they like to see logic & believability. As writers we should ALWAYS give them both. #mglitchat -9:32 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @KarenninaPosa Absolutely LOVE the series. #mglitchat Well researched and great characters. -9:32 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone @AniProf Send me a DM with details. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @AniProf I don't really like playing too loose with past interaction while avoiding all potential changes. Ignores cause & effect #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea I also loved TIMEPIECE. I know, it's YA but the whole Dr. Who type of time travel also made sense to me. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Any #mg books where characters #Timetravel from past to present day? ('sides mine, not trying to be tricky...just wonderin) #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 RT @PippaBayliss: Kids aren't stoopid, they like to see logic & believability. As writers we should ALWAYS give them both. #mglitchat -9:33 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @anglarsen I can only think of an adult time travel one-Diana Galbadon off hand. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @coachhays64 writing #timetravel is like the 1000 piece 3D puzzle. everything has to fit. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @KristineAsselin which reminds me to look up the 2nd book now. Thanks! #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Agreed! RT @coachhays64: @AniProf I dont really like playing too loose with past interaction <snip> Ignores cause & effect #MGLitChat -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @anglarsen Also Connie Willis does a great job with time travel. And Kage Baker. #mglitchat -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


kurtisscaletta Is @AaronStarmer here? #mglitchat #timetravel -9:34 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin As far as adult time travel, my fave is the Time Traveler's Wife. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @AnshaKotyk How true? #MGLitChat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea But you have to get it 'right' in order for time travel to work. Otherwise, no. #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf What about time travel to the future? #MGLitChat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @KarenninaPosa You're welcome. Now that I'm thinking of them, I should read again. :) #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa What about wishes? Are those overdone? Anything fresh that you've read recently? #mglitchat -9:35 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin Also, just finished Revolution by Jennifer Donnelly. Awesomeness. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @AniProf Diana Galbaldon explains that in her one series. Only a child born from someone from both the past/present can come #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Totes! Notes & charts! RT @anshakotyk: @coachhays64 writing #timetravel is like the 1000 piece 3D puzzle. everything has to fit. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @KristineAsselin That book will always have my heart. (The movie, not so much.) #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti @anglarsen It's an older one, but there's The Princess in the Pigpen #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


elliefalcone I like to read about time travel but I don't write it. A little out of my league so I'm gonna bounce. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Suggestion: Can someone (moderators) create a list of "mentioned titles' from each chat session? #MGLitChat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @kurtisscaletta @AaronStarmer Haven't seen him pop in, but only a matter of time before I mentioned THE ONLY ONES. #mglitchat -9:36 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KristineAsselin That's not time travel but rather a journal the protagonist finds and the bk goes into the past. Brilliant #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss It takes courage to write it - when it's wrong, it flops RT @AniProf: What about time travel to the future? #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @AnshaKotyk I always think of Bradbury's A Sound Of Thunder when thinking of how to approach writing time travel. So intricate. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


john_zeleznik @elliefalcone The whole space-time continuum stuff gives me a headache. I couldn't do time travel. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @AniProf Of course. :) #MGLitChat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea Another time travel one is PRIDE AND PRADA which is cute YA. #mglitchat -9:37 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Quasi-time travel: In coma for a long time. #MGLitChat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg hi #mglitchat folks. Just now joining you. I'm a newbie #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @AnshaKotyk THANKS! #MGLitChat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AniProf We started doing that for early chats. Was daunting. Maybe for our one year anniversary in July we'll do it. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea Also I love TENNYSON which is where a girl has visions of her past while living in her families plantation. Brilliant. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @ixtumea She travels into the past and lives there for a few days...is it a dream? Maybe. Intros Led Zep to her musical hero. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KristineAsselin It's a dream. Not time travel. #mglitchat -9:38 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Or ... frozen in ice for a long time, and then thawed successfully. #MGLitChat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @evermeg Welcome! Pull up a chair. We love new chatters! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea TENNYSON was a Cybils nominated book I got to read as a MG panelist. Really enjoyed it. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @ixtumea is it PRADA AND PREJUDICE? #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @AniProf Or the movie 13 going on 30... Jennifer Garner... dreaming/wishing about the future. #MGLitChat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @ixtumea Okay, interesting. If it's a dream, do we still consider it time travel? What if the MC believes it's real. #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @anglarsen Yes! You got it. **Hides head! #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @AniProf Like in Across the Universe? #mglitchat -9:39 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @KDuBayGillis oh, thanks!!! Still getting up to speed. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KristineAsselin Good question. I'd say no but others might disagree. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @ixtumea Prada and Prejudice might have only been a dream. Is it time travel? #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @anglarsen Head ... hurts ... #MGLitChat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen LOVED that flick RT @anshakotyk: @AniProf Or the movie 13 going on 30... Jennifer Garner... dreaming/wishing about the future. #MGLitChat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @KDuBayGillis @AniProf eeek Now that Kellie said that I'm afriad to try!! #MGLitChat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KristineAsselin I'd say that one is time travel. #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss oh dear, #mglitchat has gone into a time loop - is it just me? #mglitchat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @AnshaKotyk Or ... BIG #MGLitChat -9:40 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @LM_Preston Hi! Plot devices like time travel, wishes, portals, etc. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea So if you do write a time travel? Please don't just drop the protagonist either back in time or to the future. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf So, when do we start this chat? Is it almost 9PM? #MGLitChat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @LM_Preston Time travel and other plot devices. :) Glad to see you! #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @KristineAsselin @ixtumea I didn't think it was a dream. Wasn't there a scuffed shoe or something at the end? #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Oh my! Sounds exciting RT @KDuBayGillis: Plot devices like time travel, wishes, portals, etc. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea I think the wishes books are fun ones in MG. #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston @AnshaKotyk Howdy :-D #mglitchat -9:41 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @aniprof Hey, dude, you're the one who writes scifi ;-) #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea My own upcoming book has a bracelet that has romantic wishes come true. #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Writing time travel is so not easy! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AnshaKotyk @AniProf Some chats were more title heavy than others. We can do it! #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea Originally it was MG but I'd say it's more a light YA #mglitchat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @anglarsen Oh me too. I love watching it and I don't rewatch movies very often #MGLitChat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @anglarsen True. #MGLitChat -9:42 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin I'm just saying, if the MC believes s/he has traveled in time...even if it's implied that others don't believe... #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KarenninaPosa That's what I thought too. I thought she went back in time? That's Mandy Hubbard's book. #mglitchat -9:43 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @ixtumea Fun! #mglitchat Title? -9:43 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @ixtumea I guess that's the question... did she or didn't she? time travel, I mean #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin I agree with you, if the MC believes than that is the reality because the reader is usually meant to id with MC #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @anglarsen NO GODDESSES ALLOWED. There's Audrey Hepburn, a bored Egyptian goddesses, and of course a bracelet. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @anglarsen @ixtumea Is that YOU WISH? #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin What about When You Reach Me? Huge time travel element, but not overt until the end. #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @ixtumea What about dropping off a pesky, obnoxious little brother in the 16th century because he won't leave your slumber party? #mglitchat -9:44 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Getting the MG voice right is sometimes iffy since kids at that age have different levels of vocabulary #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Okay, moving on. How about a door (portal) that leads to ... someplace else? #MGLitChat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @ixtumea I think it's great to leave it open-ended sometimes. Let the reader decide... #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @anglarsen My main character loves Audrey Hepburn and mentions her movies/clothes throughout. #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Oh I see that a lot RT @AniProf: Okay, moving on. How about a door (portal) that leads to ... someplace else? #MGLitChat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @coachhays64 LOL. You know that's funny! #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @coachhays64 Fantastic premise!! Yours? #mglitchat -9:45 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AniProf CORALINE? portal/door, right? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin Or the FOUND series by Margaret Peterson Haddix. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston Writing time travel is the hardest thing I've done... #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf - wots yor take on 'time stream'. My MC remembers her story after she alters time coz she remains outside the timestream #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Portals ... Can they be scientifically explained, or not? #MGLitChat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa How true is it that the portal device is overused, and that agents/editors don't want to see any more? #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KDuBayGillis Right! Great book, too! #MGLitChat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @AniProf Doors leading somewhere else is done a lot, but it's kind of classic. #mglitchat -9:46 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @ixtumea Love it! Great title and premise! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AniProf Oh, and LION, WITCH, WARDROBE. Aaaaah. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @Steph_Lawton Thank you! Time travel, right? Not a dream? Or am I splitting hairs...#mglitchat :) -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @LaurelSnyder Have you tried to do a time travel MG? #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @KDuBayGillis Ooh, yes! That's a classic! #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @AniProf I did this once, in a draft...didn't turn out so well. But it could be done well, I think, just by someone else. #mglitchat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf For me, a portal that just "happens" to lead someplace else is ... boring. #MGLitChat -9:47 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KDuBayGillis Classic! #MGLitChat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @KarenninaPosa Wondering the same thing... about overuse. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston I bet, there's world building of 2 places or more & time RT @LaurelSnyder: Writing time travel is the hardest thing I've done... #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Does anyone care? ;) RT @AniProf: Portals ... Can they be scientifically explained, or not? WORMHOLES? #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin Great portal book (adult) The Other Life by Ellen Meister. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @ixtumea I've been at work on one for about 2 years now. Past deadline. HARD. #mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @KDuBayGillis But for the Narnia tales, each portal can only be used once. #MGLitChat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @pippabayliss @aniprof What's a timestream? #mglitchat #I'mclueless -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @LaurelSnyder Oooh....#mglitchat -9:48 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston Well, and the two worlds have to affect each other, in "reality" and in the consciousness of the traveler. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AniProf True. I personally always wanted an origin story for C.S. Lewis' wardrobe. #mglitchat -9:49 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf joking aside, it's prolly tough to explain in your novel without getting super techie - how do you do it? #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @LaurelSnyder Exactly. And kids aren't dumb. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


coachhays64 @anglarsen No, but my sister would have liked to have done it. There may be something to it, surely it has been done before. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @KDuBayGillis The Magician's Nephew tells how the wardrobe was created! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @AniProf Really? I don't remember that rule. I have to re-read. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Prob w/any device when used 4 convenience RT @aniprof: For me, a portal that just "happens" to lead someplace else is...boring. #MGLitChat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @KDuBayGillis It's all there, in the wood from the wood between the worlds. Magician's Nephew. Wardrobe is made of it! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


ixtumea @LaurelSnyder Kids like where things kind of make sense. It doesn't have to be college physics but something. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston My mind is blown just reading the tweet. #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston And I cannot wait for it to be done so I can read. No pressure, Laurel! Just excitement! #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @KristineAsselin JINX #mglitchat -9:50 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @anglarsen - timestream (as far as I know) is the order of events. Changing events changes the timestream. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @KDuBayGillis the wardrobe's origin was explained in the first book.The Magician's Nephew. Apple tree from Narnia's creation. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @LaurelSnyder LOL. ::high fives:: #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder I KNEW I had to go back and re-read. Now I feel like a chump. Ok, adding to my re-read pile. #mglitchat -9:51 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @story_queen @LM_Preston It's SO HARD. I've blown three deadlines. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston How do you plot it? RT @LaurelSnyder: @story_queen It's SO HARD. I've blown three deadlines. #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg Are there other important/worth-while reads with doors/portals besides Narnia series? #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Lol! RT @KDuBayGillis: @LaurelSnyderAnd I cannot wait for it to be done so I can read. No pressure, Laurel! Just excitement! #mglitchat -9:52 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg Do the kids in A Wrinkle in Time go through a "Portal"?? #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @KDuBayGillis @LaurelSnyder Don't feel like a chump--I've not read it either..yet! #butIwill #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @KristineAsselin Narnia geeks forevah! #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel @evermeg Chiming in l8 but 100 Cupboards. #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @pippabayliss Thx! Guess I shoulda known what a timestream is... #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @evermeg Hopefully we're going to get a list in the archives! #mglitchat -9:53 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin Great portal book, ANY WHICH WALL by our very own @laurelsnyder. At least I'd consider it portal...or maybe wish? Laurel? #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel I haven't heard of 100 Cupboards #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf IMHO, Tesseract = Portal #MGLitChat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @evermeg Winterling by Sarah Prineas. Very fun read and good use of portals. Very organic and natural to both worlds. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston It's a mess. Mine is contemp kid in 1937, meeting her grandma. So she's learning things, also bringing contemp info. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston @LaurelSnyder Sounds really good though #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @PippaBayliss @evermeg We'll try to pull a list together...we haven't been great about compiling title lists from chats. #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Cool RT @AniProf: IMHO, Tesseract = Portal #mglitchat -9:54 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Alice in Wonderland ... rabbit hole is a portal #MGLitChat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk A series with similarities 2 Narnia but not the symbolism. By ND Wilson. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston You could always pull a Bill & Ted & go into the future & fix the problem so that tomorrow all is well. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston It's too somber. Trying to fun it up. #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @rachelnseigel Have not read that trilogy. Will have to read. I love this kind of stuff myself! #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel @evermeg It was really fun! #mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @LaurelSnyder @LM_Preston I was joking about the Bill and Ted bit, just so you know...#mglitchat -9:55 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Sounds fun to me, lol! RT @story_queen: @LaurelSnyder You could always pull a Bill & Ted & go into the future & fix the problem #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel #Mglitchat does Storybound count, or Inkheart? Characters weere transported through a book. -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @AniProf ah, yes, another classic. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Duh! Mind blown! RT @aniprof: Alice in Wonderland ... rabbit hole is a portal #MGLitChat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @KristineAsselin I think of it as a portal! But the line is really gray b/t wish and portal. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @story_queen I WISH I COULD. #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Susanne Collins' 'Gregor the Overlander' goes to another realm = portal #mglitchat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @rachelnseigel Inkheart? Time travel, no. Portal, yes. #MGLitChat -9:56 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @story_queen @LaurelSnyder I dunno, I always liked the irreverence of Bill and Ted. Lots of fun. Loved Napoleon and ice cream. #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin Can I just say I LOVE mglitchat? You guys are awesome...always leaves me feeling psyched to be a part of the kidlit community. <3 #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel #mglitchat and how about the 68 Rooms series? The Thorne Rooms took her back in time. -9:57 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston Does anyone know a story where someone goes to sleep and wakes up somewhere else besides Alice In Wonderland? #mglitchat -9:57 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Also, Alice Through the Looking Glass #MGLitChat -9:57 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel @LM_Preston More YA, but the Stravagnaza series by Mary Hoffman. #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @LaurelSnyder Haha! I'd read it, just sayin' #billandted #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Inkheart is a great example where a portal has specific rules as to how it works which are never violated. #MGLitChat -9:58 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @KristineAsselin We feel the same way. So lucky that everyone comes each week! (Thanks @elissacruz for getting it going!) #mglitchat -9:58 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen Yes! RT @kristineasselin: Can I just say I LOVE mglitchat? You guys r awesome... psyched to be a part of the kidlit community. <3 #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa The Emerald Atlas is a portal book, literally #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss It's amazing how many portal devices there are in kids' lit! Stuff we don't ask to be be explained - but should we? #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


michaelascotto MT @KristineAsselin: Can I just say I LOVE mglitchat? Always leaves me feeling psyched to be a part of the kidlit community. <3 #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf LOVE MGLitChat! #MGLitChat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @AnshaKotyk @LaurelSnyder Waterloo!! #mglitchat -9:59 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen @lm_preston my protags from 1955 wake up in present day #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti Related to time travel, time loop stories. Repeating the same day, like 11 Birthdays by Wendy Mass, the girl's bday repeats. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa Portal samples: laundry chute, pond, hippo mouth, book, rabbit hole... #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf Still, plot devices such as time travel, or portals, need to have limits, boundaries. Gives characters obstacles to overcome. #MGLitChat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


michaelascotto @PippaBayliss I think it's okay for things to be unexplained -- most important is how chars handle the situation #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


evermeg @KarenninaPosa Oooooo. Thanks for listing. New one for me. #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelnseigel @rachelgrinti @rachelgrinti #mglitchat I love that book! It's like Groundhog Day! #mglitchat -10:00 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti I think challenge with time loop is keeping things interesting as the character gets frustrated. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf @rachelgrinti Groundhog Day! #MGLitChat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin His Dark Materials series by Pullman--portal... #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @PippaBayliss I think all kids dream about escaping into a realm that was different from their own. I know I did. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk @story_queen @LaurelSnyder *giggle* and I love #mglitchat for this exact reason. -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KDuBayGillis @KarenninaPosa Um, hippo mouth????????? #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti Yes, it's like the MG version of Groundhog Day! :) #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss Dang, is it time to go ALREADY? #MGlitchat goes way too fast #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KristineAsselin @rachelgrinti I love that one--11 Birthdays...like Groundhog Day. #mglitchat -10:01 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @story_queen Not just kids. Me too! :) #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


rachelgrinti @KDuBayGillis Hippo mouth sounds like a pretty dangerous portal. Those teeth are huge and scary. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @story_queen Absolutely :) #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf I think I'll time travel back to 9PM so I can do this again! #MGLitChat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AnshaKotyk RT @AnshaKotyk: Top of the hour has arrived. so please keep chatting, but I'm off to pull the transcript. doh. need the hashtag -#mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


anglarsen what happened? #mglitchat wormhole...time went so fast!! -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @AnshaKotyk @LaurelSnyder It's kind of why I love to read. Escaping through the rabbit hole of literature. #mglitchat -10:02 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LM_Preston @rachelnseigel @anglarsen Oh, how did they fall asleep and wake up? Was the catalyst explained? #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


PippaBayliss @AniProf Loved your input, Prof. Can't wait to see your story(s) in print! #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


KarenninaPosa @KDuBayGillis Yep, hippo mouth. Brandon Mull's Beyonders. #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


LaurelSnyder @story_queen I had a spot that I was SURE was a portal. Am working on a book about that, in outline. #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


AniProf RT @story_queen: @AnshaKotyk @LaurelSnyder Its kind of why I love to read. Escaping through the rabbit hole of literature. #MGLitChat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012


story_queen @anglarsen Yes! a wormhole!!! #mglitchat -10:03 PM Jun 28th, 2012

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