rachelnseigel Hey everybody! Time for #MGlitchat today's topic is "Truth in MG lit". -7:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Should be interesting. I've had plenty of talks with fellow professional storytellers about "truth" in stories. #mglitchat -7:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf What conclusions did you draw? #mglitchat -7:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @JenniferCEstes Yay! Look forward to seeing you. :) #mglitchat -7:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel Not to be coy, but there's truth and then there's truth. More like stories being true to themselves. #mglitchat -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty Calling all MG writers! We're discussing truth in MG lit tonight on #mglitchat -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel #MGlitchat I see this as a twofold discussion- one about books where truth is withheld from kids, other how much we should reveal -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker RT @LM_Preston: Emotion, get inside their head. RT @mimicross: What makes YOU care about a character? #YAlitchat #MGlitchat #writersroad #bookmarket Thanks! -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop Hoping to stay for a bit tonight- such a great topic! #mglitchat -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PBWorkshop Great to have you! #mglitchat -7:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto I've always found honesty + empathy to be a winning combination #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
earthwards Hey everybody! Looks like a good topic tonight :) #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
MelissaRoske RT @DanyelleLeafty: Calling all MG writers! We're discussing truth in MG lit tonight on #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @earthwards Welcome! #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @michaelascotto Honesty is important, but how honest should we be? #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel Hi! #mglitchat "Truthfully" not a lot of brain power left this evening. The eighth graders stole it earlier today. But happy to be here. -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto So true. Kids are good at sensing dishonesty. #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
MelissaRoske Greetings, all! #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @christinesarmel Glad to c u! (And Cute dog) #mglitchat -7:03 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @christinesarmel @MelissaRoske Welcome! #mglitchat -7:04 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel @michaelascotto Define being honest? Same as honesty? #mglitchat -7:04 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Not necessarily- for example- stories where parents don't tell kids truth about what's really happening. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristinaFarley RT @DanyelleLeafty: Calling all MG writers! We're discussing truth in MG lit tonight on #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf I think honesty in writing is something totally different, but equally as important. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy Are we talking emotional honesty? Or literal, factual honesty? #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @rachelnseigel I'd suppose it depends on the subject; I think there needs to be room for optimism at that age #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy Both. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rachelnseigel I agree! When 9/11 happened, I was teaching preschool and had no idea what to say. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @AniProf *agrees* Not quite the same thing. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel But a story where parents are not truthful could be a truthful story, telling kids the way it sometimes is. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
elissacruz Checking in late, and I'll only be here for a few minutes. Honest. ;) #MGlitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel This is where being aware of emotional and physical development of kids helps a little. #mglitchat #stillhardsometimes -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz *waves* #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf That's true. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto RT @rachelnseigel: @AniProf Not necessarily- for example- stories where parents dont tell kids truth about whats really happening #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @ChristophrHealy excellent point! #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel Ah, those stories. Well, if the adults were honest, the kids would have no challenge, nothing to work out. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto Kids have well-honed BS sensors. It's their superpower. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @coachhays64 @michaelascotto That's for sure! #mglitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti Sneaking in late, hello everyone! #MGlitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy Dishonesty from the adults can be a very useful plot tool. #mglitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker I know I'm always being asked by eds to tone down what I consider "real"; swearing, drinking, screwing around, both mg & ya #mglitchat" -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelgrinti *waves* #mglitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy That's an exxcellent point. On the other hand, not telling leads sometimes to dire consequences #mglitchat -7:07 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto RT @coachhays64: @DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto Kids have well-honed BS sensors. Its their superpower. #mglitchat -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @coachhays64 Absolutely, which is what makes them such great foils for those dishonest adults. #mglitchat -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
MelissaRoske @coachhays64 RT Kids have well-honed BS sensors. It's their superpower. #mglitchat Excellent point. Shame it fades with age... -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel And dire consequences lead to great drama, no? #mglitchat -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @helainebecker That's true- customers of mine get uncomfortable with language, but it has to b true to character 2 work. #mglitchat -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel Level of detail makes a difference. Knowing about the parents' divorce isn't the same as knowing the graphic details of why #mglitchat -7:08 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy It can- or tragedy. Like Boy in Striped Pajamas. (I know- bit more YA) #mglitchat -7:09 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @christinesarmel Very well put. #mglitchat -7:09 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti @helainebecker Do you think you are asked to do that more for the kids or the parents? #MGlitchat -7:10 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @christinesarmel That's true too. Look at @LaurelSnyder 's Breadbox. Mom didn't talk to kid= misery 4 girl. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @christinesarmel True -- struggling with a very similar for-instance in my current WIP #mglitchat -7:10 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel The kids will always seek out the reasons. (Loved Breadbox, btw) #mglitchat -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty RT @ChristophrHealy: @rachelnseigel The kids will always seek out the reasons. (Loved Breadbox, btw) #mglitchat -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelnseigel For the 9/11 anniversary I recommend 14 Cows for America http://t.co/XFI2G8a5. Tough subjects in PBs! #mglitchat -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @michaelascotto Middle Grade is so broad too. I think that level of their understanding depends on age. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @rachelnseigel @christinesarmel @LaurelSnyder That book is about as "true" as it gets #mglitchat -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
mountie9 Is this #mglitchat a regular thing ? @rachelnseigel @helainebecker -7:11 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Books where kids seek the truth, and don't find it, can also be good stories. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PBWorkshop That's a gr8 book! I don't teach now, but at the time, I had 3-yr olds who were confused. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @mountie9 Every Thurs. at 9pm. Just use this hashtag- #mglitchat -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @rachelnseigel Which touches on a related issue- when is adut ideallism dishonest and damaging? Squeaky clean kidsin books can b #MGlitchat -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop Just finished Long Story Short- terrible truths are revealed bit by bit. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel Definitely. And every child is different--as well as their experiences and environment. #mglitchat #complicatesthings -7:12 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @AniProf Yes -- sometimes things are too complicated to boil down to what's "the truth" #mglitchat -7:13 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @helainebecker Yes! Again- we have to realize that kids do sense BS- too much idealism doesn't ring true. #MGlitchat -7:13 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Does every MG book need a resolution? Where TRUTH wins in the end? #mglitchat -7:14 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @rachelgrinti I think parents who ideallize their childhoods and sanitize it in retrospect, also want to protect kids. #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Truth doesn't have to be pretty, but I think there has to be truth. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 RT @AniProf: @rachelnseigel Not to be coy, but there's truth and then there's truth. More like stories being true to themselves. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Jan 12th, 2012
JonPriceWrites #mglitchat Great News! Happy to announce that I'm being represented by Marie Lamba of The Jennifer DeChiara Literary Agency. -7:14 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel @rachelnseigel True. Age range of MG sometimes trips up gifted readers. They're ready for the reading, but not for the content. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Jan 12th, 2012
earthwards @rachelnseigel Exactly, and the opposite of truth doesn't always have to be mystery. Truth can be just as open/mysterious .. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @AniProf Interesting thought. Can MG readers handle books without resolution? #mglitchat -7:15 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @christinesarmel Which is where books like Breadbox, or @KateMilford's Boneshaker are perfect. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @JonPriceWrites Congratulations! #mglitchat -7:15 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti @JonPriceWrites Congrats, Jon :) #MGlitchat -7:16 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy Difference between happy ending and resolution. Resolution doesn't have to always be happy or perfect. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf I suppose I see being truthful, as a writer, is to treat MG readers like all other readers, w/a specific reading level (cont) #mglitchat -7:16 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy Did you read James Preller Bystander? It wasn't a happy ending, but there was resolution to the problem. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @JonPriceWrites Congratulations! #mglitchat -7:17 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf ... vocabulary, and maturity. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @ChristophrHealy As a reader, if there is no resolution, the book falls flat for me. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @JonPriceWrites Congratulations! #mglitchat -7:18 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel Agree. But for that age do they think it's better to have a bad ending than one they see as open-ended, unfinished #mglitchat -7:18 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop Really wonderful books can be understood differently depending on your age and experience- To Kill a Mockingbird comes to mind. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @helainebecker @rachelgrinti Oy! I have trouble hearing that, but parents like to think of their kids as kids for as long as pos. #MGlitchat -7:18 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @JonPriceWrites That's so great! #mglitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy I agree! 2 me open-ended spells Sequel! #mglitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @DanyelleLeafty Okay, so maybe resolution was not the right word to use. Sorry. #mglitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker Then again, I'm not big on secrets. My WIP is all about truth, actually. Its tricky tho with MG where maturity & exp. varies #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf No, it brings up a good point--difference between resolution and happy ending. :) #mglitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
elissacruz @rachelnseigel Sometimes I'm more concerned about the emotional truth of a story than the "truth." #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel My daughter is 10. She's handled sad endings, but has complained a few times "This story just stopped!" #mglitchat -7:19 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @AniProf Good question, does everything need full resolution or do you only need a solution to main problem of story? #mglitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty RT @elissacruz: @rachelnseigel Sometimes I'm more concerned about the emotional truth of a story than the "truth." #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy I hate that too! Feels like they take all that time to tell a story and then it just stops. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz True. If the emotional truth of the story doesn't ring true, the whole story will feel hollow. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I think that's important. Truth is subjective. #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti @helainebecker Yes, it's interesting the way perspectives change. Very different watching kids go through that as an adult. #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel Is it different if you know there's going to be a sequel? Then you want something left open, no? #mglitchat -7:20 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel @ChristophrHealy I think the book has to end. Open-ended is a huge red flag for some. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @ChristophrHealy Don't you think that "just stopped" strategy is often to "trick" readers into wanting to read a sequel? #mglitchat -7:21 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy You do- but in those cases u hope it's clear that there is a sequel and that's not it. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @elissacruz Agreed! Emotional truth, wrt the story, is important. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti @rachelnseigel Yes, though I think kids like to see at least a partial resolution. #MGlitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman Even with a sequel and even as an adult, you (or I) need satisfaction in my endings. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy But even with open-ended books (for sequel) there should b some resolution or something to move forward. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty RT @jodyfeldman: Even with a sequel and even as an adult, you (or I) need satisfaction in my endings. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rachelgrinti U read my mind! #MGlitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
earthwards @DanyelleLeafty Yes, I think 'true' (to me) is really just the lens through which the MC views the world. Allowing that to lead.. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @jodyfeldman I agree. I detest books that leave things too openended. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Variations on a theme: Being true to your readers. Telling the truth to your readers. Telling a true story. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel Absolutely. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop A good sequel should/would arise from how deeply the reader loves/wonders about the characters. IMHO. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel One of my reader pet-peeves is book #1 lacks an ending in hopes I'll buy book #2 or 3. I usually don't. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PBWorkshop Yes. If u have that emotional connection, u want to know more about htem. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy My theory on series. Book1 needs an ending. Once I'm in for the haul, Book2 can leave me wanting Book3. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @earthwards Very good point. Everyone's (character and reader) lens is going to be different. Makes for fascinating stories. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @christinesarmel That bugs me 2. I also dislike summary epilogues like in the last Harry Potter book. #1 #2 #mglitchat -7:24 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty RT @christinesarmel: One of my reader pet-peeves is book #1 lacks an ending in hopes I'll buy book #2 or 3. I usually don't. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @jodyfeldman Good answer, so true. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @AniProf integrity of vision, voice, as opposed to literal "this is the way it is always." #MGlitchat -7:24 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @DanyelleLeafty It's one thing to leave some matters unresolved -- that's life -- but another to leave too much dangling #mglitchat -7:24 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelnseigel It's as if the characters are real people and the reader wants to read more about them living their lives. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Stories need to resolve, that is, come to the end of that story but not all threads in the story. Yes? #mglitchat -7:25 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @helainebecker Truth does appear differently to different people. #MGlitchat -7:25 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PBWorkshop I think we feel that way as adults too- good writing brings a character to life and makes you love them. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @jodyfeldman Yes. Doesn't have to be all tied up neatly, but main threads should be tied or at least alluded to tied. #mglitchat -7:25 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker RT @DanyelleLeafty: @elissacruz True. If the emotional truth of the story doesn't ring true, the whole story will feel hollow. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf Yes. :) In my opinion. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker RT @rachelnseigel: @elissacruz I think that's important. Truth is subjective. #MGlitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel And thus we have wars. #mglitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @jodyfeldman Like the finale of "Lost." (Sorry to veer into TV, but that's the perfect example for me) #mglitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop In college I was asked who I most identified with growing up, and I had to name characters in books, (despite a happy childhood). #mglitchat -7:26 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @DanyelleLeafty And best, semi-tied but with promise of future growth in characters and situations #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Excellent point- I don't think we can ever b 100% honest, but we need to trust them enough to answer questions. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @ChristophrHealy Great example, LOST #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @jodyfeldman Yes. I like the idea of knowing where things will probably go, but story doesn't have to go there, per se. #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @PBWorkshop I will always read a sequel if I love the characters. If not....#mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @@AniProf I think we make a bigger deal of it than it often is- sometimes kids just need answers #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel Is truth different in terms of genre, such as historical-fic versus contemporary? #mglitchat -7:27 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @ChristophrHealy openended can feel manipulative. Tell a complete story, dammit! But leave tidbits to become pearls in a sequel.#MGlitchat -7:28 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @story_queen I will too- if it doesn't take too long for the sequel to come out! ;-) #mglitchat -7:28 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @DanyelleLeafty I disagree. A story can leave all threads dangling, as long as the reader knows this's where the story should end #mglitchat -7:28 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop I wish kids were more willing to go back and reread favorites when they are 2-3 years older- finding more truth as they age. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @christinesarmel Truth is based on the world the writer creates. Even a fantasy world can be truthful. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf @DanyelleLeafty Not all questions have 2 be answered- there can b room for wonder, but central problem should b resolved #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf As a reader, if I don't feel that major points are resolved (doesn't have to be neat), I feel cheated & story falls flat.#mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @AniProf Yes, this is what I was trying to say. :) #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @jodyfeldman LOST, IMHO, did not have a true ending. It just stopped. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @AniProf "The Lady or the Tiger" You either love that story or hate it. #mglitchat -7:29 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @ChristophrHealy Perfect example. :D #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @christinesarmel I'm committed to author's notes/bibliography, etc. in HF. Kids need to know that facts are available. #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen You know, maybe I am old-fashioned, but I like a good, satisfying ending in an mg I like that sense of "Yes, this is finished..." #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman Then there's the opposite. If everything is tied into a perfect package, there's nothing that keeps you thinking after. #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @story_queen I do too, but hate those paragraphs that tell u way too much #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel How do you define "resolving the central problem"? #mglitchat -7:30 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy Interestingly, when I first read "Lady or the Tiger" as a kid, I hated it. As an adult, I kind of love it. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @story_queen Me too. :) #mglitchat -7:31 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf I suppose the conflict. I don't have to know about all sub-plots, but want resolution to the main story. #mglitchat -7:31 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @AniProf LOST, I meant, did not have a true ending. It left things too open for interpretation for my satisfaction #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @story_queen I think that you can do a moment that says this, without necessarily wrapping everything in a bow #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy RT: Then theres the opposite. If everything is tied into a perfect package, theres nothing that keeps you thinking after. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @jodyfeldman I think that was deliberate- leave the viewers as confused as during watching! #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop Could we say the book needs to aim the reader (and MC) on a path toward resolution? Imply/suggest, offer hope? #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @PBWorkshop yes, but that's where novels «should» not copy real life. Life is random; art imposes structure, form & meaning #MGlitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
elissacruz Sorry to sneak out early, but I must. See you next week, people! #MGlitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel Again, please define resolution. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @elissacruz Have a great week! :) #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @elissacruz *waves* Bye! See you next week! #MGlitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @DanyelleLeafty @AniProf YES! I hate feeling ripped off if I have invested a lot of feeling in the characters. #mglitchat -7:32 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @rachelnseigel very probably :o) #mglitchat -7:33 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @elissacruz Toodles! #mglitchat -7:33 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf A problem is solved, a question is answered. ie- Character has it out with the bully and is left alone after that. #mglitchat -7:33 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel @ChristophrHealy Oooh I want to go back and read "Lady or the Tiger" now. Hated it in my younger years, but times change. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @michaelascotto True, it doesn't have to be all tidy and everything, but I like a solid ending. I just do.#mglitchat -7:34 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @jodyfeldman Sometimes weird is just weird- no explanations. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @story_queen Some books, done right, can have payoff for the readers without providing total resolution to the story. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel Or, no problem is solved, but the main character has grown as a human being. #mglitchat -7:34 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy I think there is a natural ending for most stories, but it doesn't have to be tied up with a bow. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @story_queen I agree with you; I like the sense that this story is ending, but the life of the characters goes on #mglitchat -7:35 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf I see that as resolution too. Maybe the solution is that there isn't one. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf @rachelnseigel In some ways, that's a resolution too. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @PBWorkshop @christinesarmel Definitely need to provide the road maps to kids interested in further investigating story facts. #mglitchat -7:35 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @ChristophrHealy Agreed! #mglitchat -7:36 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @DanyelleLeafty @AniProf Thanks Danyelle- that's what I was trying to say! ;-) #mglitchat -7:36 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @ChristophrHealy You know, that might be the feeling I am thinking of, "reader pay-off". That has to be there, esp. in mg. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rhondasaunders Def of resolution? Isn't it just feeling satisfied? Like, it's over & I'm left thinking but not feeling abandoned. #mglitchat -7:36 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @story_queen Like a good meal- you should be left feeling satisfied and not hungry when you close the book. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @story_queen @ChristophrHealy (Sorry for food metaphor- I'm starving) #mglitchat -7:37 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @DanyelleLeafty I think you see my point, that a writer needs to be true to the story, allowing it to end the way it needs to. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel You're welcome. :) #mglitchat -7:37 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @rhondasaunders Yes! U close the book and feel like you've gotten something out of the story. #mglitchat -7:37 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @story_queen Whether all tied up or left with open questions, the reader needs that payoff in order to not feel cheated. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf Yes--up to a point. If writing for writing's sake, good and fine. If writing to be read--and cont. to be read 1/2 #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rhondasaunders @rachelnseigel Thanks. Now I'm taking a break to run for Doritos. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @rhondasaunders A writing teacher of mine said you have to ease the vehicle to a stop, not throw the reader out of it at 65mph #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
christinesarmel I like the food metaphor *chews bagel* #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf it's important to keep reader in mind. Reader has to feel a sense of payoff to keep coming back. 2/2 #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rhondasaunders Precisely! Which may mean, nothing was solved, but that's okay. #mglitchat -7:38 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @rachelnseigel And maybe you don't know every ingredient that went into that soup, but you're still happy you ate it in the end. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf To quote Joan Givner's Ellen Fremedon again, sometimes an ending is neither happy or sad- it's just an ending. #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy No worries...sitting here eating pancakes as I type :) #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @rhondasaundersI think resolution has a structural component- a circling back, a coda that restates the theme But w new shading #MGlitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @ChristophrHealy Exactly! #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords @AniProf @rachelnseigel with the understanding that the character has grown/better equipped to handle situation or solve prob l8r #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Literary whiplash makes me avoid those authors in the future. O:) #mglitchat -7:39 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders THIS. This is good stuff. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @harkinwords @AniProf Sometimes u just have to answer their question as best u can and then they've got what they need. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @AniProf I guess you could say that 'solved' and 'resolved' can be very different #mglitchat -7:40 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Define "payback". #mglitchat -7:40 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Me too. And there are are SO many books out there, I find myself getting picky. #mglitchat -7:40 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @story_queen @DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Tell me about it! My TBR pile is overhwelming! #mglitchat -7:41 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @story_queen @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Yes. I'm a lot pickier now than I was a year ago. Not enough time. #mglitchat -7:41 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @story_queen @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Good to know I'm not alone. :p #deathbybooks #mglitchat -7:41 PM Jan 12th, 2012
SBRodgers1 but I find the mg shelves to be quite barren these days ... #MGlitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @rachelnseigel "And this is how the story ends, no problems solved, yet still we kniw it's over." #mglitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
50sChix Great topic #mglitchat! -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Exactly. That's a resolution. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
KarenninaPosa hoping to catch the last few minutes of #mglitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rhondasaunders Everything we're saying here is the truth. Just to stay in theme. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @harkinwords Yes! ... Maybe. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker Uh oh - my editor is in da house! #MGlitchat am I keeping it real @harkinwords ? Resolution true and satisfying? ;) -7:42 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @KarenninaPosa Glad u could join us - if for a short time #mglitchat -7:43 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords Truth IN the story can also mean not dodging tough issues. But hard to balance with maturity level of MG sometimes. Solutions? #mglitchat -7:43 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @KarenninaPosa *waves* #mglitchat -7:43 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords @helainebecker LOL! I wouldn't have it any other way. #mglitchat -7:43 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @harkinwords Very hard--every reader is going to be different, and MG is so big. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @AniProf And that is what I mean by payoff. We, as readers, feel we got an ending. #mglitchat -7:44 PM Jan 12th, 2012
SBRodgers1 i think if you are going to involve tough issues in your books than you need to be able to handle the backlash if it occurs #MGlitchat -7:44 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @SBRodgers1 Take time with PB titles when that happens. Loved A Monster Calls? Read The Scar http://t.co/ZMC5zP0R #mglitchat -7:44 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen When I am writing a story, sometimes I will write PAST where I think the ending should be, just to see..you know? #mglitchat -7:45 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords Nicely put. @helainebecker @rhondasaundersI #mglitchat -7:45 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rhondasaunders RT @michaelascotto: A writing teacher of mine said you have to ease the vehicle to a stop, not throw the reader out at 65mph #mglitchat -7:45 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @SBRodgers1 True, but in MG I think there's a delicate balance #MGlitchat -7:45 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @story_queen @rhondasaunders I take a lot of book recommendations from folks in #nerdybookclub #mglitchat -7:45 PM Jan 12th, 2012
KarenninaPosa @DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel *waves back* #mglitchat -7:46 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen Because I needed to see if the ending that I foresaw for my characters was really authentic...sounds crazy maybe but....#mglitchat -7:46 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @rachelnseigel @story_queen @rhondasaunders Yup. These chats are dangerous that way. >:) #mglitchat -7:46 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @PBWorkshop A Monster Calls: Now there's a book full of truth. Most powerful work of literature I've read in ages. #mglitchat -7:46 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @story_queen No. I think that's an excellent idea. :) #mglitchat -7:46 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf So, how's this sound? A reader does feel cheated if she feels she got "the whole story", whatever that means. Is this truthful? #mglitchat -7:47 PM Jan 12th, 2012
SBRodgers1 agrees! Also if you are planning on a series be careful not to give too much away. #MGlitchat -7:47 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker For those of you with wine in hand ahem, I'll go all meta- 1/2.. #MGlitchat -7:47 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @ChristophrHealy I'm reading it right now. Fantastic! #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker ..a novel- with unreality at its heart, tries to portray life and truth in such a way its more real than reality #MGlitchat. Only best rip -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf I don't know that it's possible to tell the *whole* story. Maybe less satisfied rather than cheated? #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @ChristophrHealy I'd love to have a discussion with kids/others who have read both Monster and Scar- talk about BigTruths! #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto Ahh, something just for me... "RT @helainebecker: For those of you with wine in hand ahem, Ill go all meta- 1/2.." #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf @ChristophrHealy Perfect example- The main character couldn't be honest with himself, but mum was trying 2 protect him #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @SBRodgers1 Maze Runner series was good like that. Left a ton of questions in first two, then answered almost all in #3. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
MichaelARothman A reader wants to be taken on a ride, taken up the roller coaster, and at the end, coast into the station. Kill the bad guy in MG!#mglitchat -7:48 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords @helainebecker How did you know I had wine in hand? #MGlitchat -7:49 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @PBWorkshop I've got to read The Scar. I don't know it yet. Thx for the recommendation. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @DanyelleLeafty " Whole story" does not mean all the facts, all the details. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @MichaelARothman *grin* For some reason I'm picturing a stake of holly. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
SBRodgers1 i was thinking of reading maze runner. Any good? #MGlitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
MichaelARothman Also use of Deus ex machina is a not good approach for solving things….. be consistent and believable #mglitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelgrinti @harkinwords I think showing the truth of how kids see/react to issues helps keep the right level. Like The Scar. #MGlitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf I'm talking about all the truths--every character is going to see the world, the story, differently. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @DanyelleLeafty @harkinwords Yes, a challenge. Disparity in maturity, knowledge & experiences, even within MGers of the same age. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf @DanyelleLeafty Not all details are necessary, but for sure key details important. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty RT @MichaelARothman: Also use of Deus ex machina is a not good approach for solving things….. be consistent and believable #mglitchat -7:51 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker LOL! Just a guess....snorf "@harkinwords: @helainebecker How did you know I had wine in hand? #MGlitchat" -7:51 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @AniProf Definitely. Too many can bog the story down. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @ChristophrHealy Synopsis here- the fewer the words, the deeper the truth...almost enough to drown. http://t.co/ZMC5zP0R #mglitchat -7:51 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto RT @DanyelleLeafty: @AniProf Im talking about all the truths--every character is going to see the world, the story, differently. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Jan 12th, 2012
LianaBrooks RT @MichaelARothman: Also use of Deus ex machina is a not good approach for solving things….. be consistent and believable #mglitchat -7:52 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @michaelascotto @DanyelleLeafty @AniProf Yep- no such thing as universal truth- except in Jane Austen! ;-) #mglitchat -7:52 PM Jan 12th, 2012
jodyfeldman @coachhays64 @DanyelleLeafty @harkinwords Challenge, yes, but staying true to MC as s/he succeeds and fails - most can relate #mglitchat -7:53 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel @michaelascotto @AniProf And even then . . . :p #mglitchat -7:53 PM Jan 12th, 2012
50sChix challenge re: "tell the whole story" in series, is not give it all away (or NONE at all) in one book. Some cliffhangers maddening #mglitchat -7:53 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @PBWorkshop Boy...the synopsis almost made me cry. I now know what my next PB purchase will be #mglitchat -7:53 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @jodyfeldman @coachhays64 @harkinwords Yes. The ability for the reader to relate is vital. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @rachelnseigel @michaelascotto @DanyelleLeafty @AniProf hahahaha #mglitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker @PBWorkshop ooh! Almost enoughj to drown. I love that. #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @50sChix Yes. I hate cliffhangers like that. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Dishonest writing: Major character behaves in a manner 180 degrees from initial buildup, with no further explanation of why. Yes? #mglitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @PBWorkshop Thanks for that. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Jan 12th, 2012
JoWhittemore And she slides in for the last five minutes! #mglitchat -7:55 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @AniProf Which is why I justify poor grammar in Junie B Jones for eg. That's how a 6-year-old speaks. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore Hi Jo! *waves* #mglitchat -7:55 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @JoWhittemore *waves* #mglitchat -7:55 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @michaelascotto Glad you read it, will buy and share. PB's can be doorways to larger MG elaborations, snag reluctant readers. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Jan 12th, 2012
ChristophrHealy @AniProf Yes. Character continuity is essential. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Jan 12th, 2012
harkinwords @rachelgrinti true. @ValerieSherrard did well in Glory Wind. 12yrold boy too naive to fully understand details he described->safe #mglitchat -7:56 PM Jan 12th, 2012
JoWhittemore @DanyelleLeafty @rachelnseigel Hey, pretty ladies! #mglitchat -7:56 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @harkinwords @rachelgrinti @ValerieSherrard Glory Wind was perfect that way- he came to understand a truth he hadn't b4. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Jan 12th, 2012
PBWorkshop @rachelnseigel But that's why very early readers struggle to read Junie B- they need to be "past" it to "get" it. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @JoWhittemore @DanyelleLeafty :-D #mglitchat -7:57 PM Jan 12th, 2012
srjohannes just popped into say hi #mglitchat -7:58 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @PBWorkshop Interesting point! #mglitchat -7:58 PM Jan 12th, 2012
coachhays64 @jodyfeldman @DanyelleLeafty @harkinwords The fun of writing MG! Yes, know your MC & how they'll react to problem or situation. #mglitchat -7:59 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker A Glorious book indeed "@harkinwords: @rachelgrinti true. @ValerieSherrard did well in Glory Wind. #mglitchat" -7:59 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf @srjohannes Hi! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Jan 12th, 2012
michaelascotto @srjohannes Welcome! #mglitchat -7:59 PM Jan 12th, 2012
50sChix Thanks for my 1st #mglitchat! Lots to think about, friends. Appreciate your great thoughts. #Staycool -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @50sChix Glad u could join us! Hope 2 c u again. #mglitchat #Staycool -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @srjohannes *waves* #mglitchat -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @coachhays64 @jodyfeldman @harkinwords Or figuring it out. ;-) #mglitchat -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
srjohannes sorry im real late. but i have a tween bk coming out in a few weeks and wanted to hear from the experts :) #mglitchat -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
helainebecker Saying good zzzzzzz! Thanks all! #MGlitchat -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @50sChix Good to have you here. :D #mglitchat -8:00 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @helainebecker Have a great night. :D #mglitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @helainebecker Wow! 10pm already! G'night Helaine. #MGlitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
story_queen @rachelnseigel @DanyelleLeafty @michaelascotto @rhondasaunders Yay. Now even more excited to read it! #mglitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
50sChix @rachelnseigel Thanks! I'll be back for sure! Awesome community <3 #mglitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel @50sChix :-) #mglitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
AniProf Gotta go! Don't forget I'm still looking for guest writers for my blog (http://t.co/Ld31bg3K) #mglitchat -8:01 PM Jan 12th, 2012
DanyelleLeafty @AniProf Have a great night! :) #mglitchat -8:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat This hour has totally flown by! Thanks everyone for another great chat! -8:02 PM Jan 12th, 2012
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