Thursday, October 13, 2011

October 13th Transcript- Creating Timeless Books

rachelnseigel #MglitChat Hello everybody. We're off. Tonight's topic is creating timeless books. -7:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
 
elissacruz @smozer oooh. Winner! #MGlitchat -7:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat First question: What makes a book timeless? -7:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Can we talk about timeless books we've read? #MGlitchat -7:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KKittscher It's time for #mglitchat! I'm off to teach, but YOU should go talk about the importance of time/place. Sorry to miss it! -7:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk #MGlitchat I think we absolutely should! -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz RT @rachelnseigel: #Mglitchat First question: What makes a book timeless? #MGlitchat -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly #MGlitchat Characters? At least for me. -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder Hurrah for mg chat! #mglitchat -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Because I could always use more books on my to be read pile. :) esp timeless ones. #mglitchat -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk I'll throw out The Phantom Tollbooth which is turning 50 this year. #MGlitchat -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @elissacruz @AnshaKotyk @smozer I'll bring a bottle of wine. Let's make this a party! (forgot the hashtag). #mglitchat -7:02 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin definitely! #mglitchat -7:03 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz To me, timeless books feel like they could fit into any time period--they aren't of one decade. #ithink #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @rachelnseigel I've actually never read the Phantom Tollbooth... an obvious oversight #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk I credit my 4th grade teacher for introducing it to me! It's still my favourite book! #MGlitchat -7:03 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Magic books are often timeless and unforgettable characters. Narnia, Wrinkle in Time. also, Anne of Green Gables. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Okay time to download ... #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse @rachelnseigel What makes a book timeless - the language - not needing an urban dictionary to get through it? #MglitChat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz It's more than technology (or lack thereof). It's more than the style of dress or type of speech, though those are part of it. #MGlitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin Loved John Boyne's books. Very timeless (striped Pajamas & Noah Barleywater) #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
jasmine_marie @elissacruz I completely agree. #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Yes. ---> RT @elissacruz: To me, timeless books feel like they could fit into any time period--they arent of one decade. #ithink #mglitchat -7:04 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder Yeah, often they're either set in the past already, like All of a Kind Family, or in "other worlds." #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @LaurelSnyder Loved All of a Kind Family- called it the Jewish Little Women! #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: Universal truths...compelling conflicts...characters we grow to care about... #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @HouseofProwse: @rachelnseigel What makes a book timeless - the language - not needing an urban dictionary to get through it? #MglitChat -7:05 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer Timeless books appeal to children of every generation. Ramona series is an example. #mglitchat -7:05 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder I mean, truly timeless books are just GOOD. Like, they get to something essential and human that transcends era. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @elissacruz I agree. Some books end up being very dated very quickly- will anyone remember Twilight in 50 yrs? #MGlitchat -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk HOLES is one of those timeless books. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse RT @pattyjmchats: @rachelnseigel: Universal truths...compelling conflicts...characters we grow to care about... #mglitchat <<< agree -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Timeless books avoid generational slang or trends. Things that get outdated fast. #mglitchat -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @rachelnseigel But it wasn't written about its own time. SOmetimes "timeless" is easier accomplished about the past (as exotica) #mglitchat -7:06 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk Very true- as is Wayside School, which still holds up #mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Ah, yes.,RT @pattyjmchats: @rachelnseigel: Universal truths...compelling conflicts...characters we grow to care about... #mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @smozer My daughter is 5 and she loves Ramona #mglitchat -7:07 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @LaurelSnyder Which I think is a really hard thing to do- but time period wasn't as important as the family unit right? #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel @anshakotyk Always wanted to attend Wayside School. :) #MGlitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz My favorite timeless book (books, actually) is The Penderwicks (and sequels). #MGlitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @AnshaKotyk @pattyjmchats Absolutely! I think character has a lot to do with it. #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
earthwards I think timeless books are the ones that open up stories that you want to re-live again and again. W/ characters that grow w/ you #mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse Think about Shakespeare - Romeo Juliet - Greek mythology... how about as well as universal truths - universal lessons? Tragedy...#mglitchat -7:08 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats RT @AnshaKotyk: @smozer My daughter is 5 + loves Ramona <<I'm in the middle of my own Beverly Cleary Fest..rereading all of them! #mglitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso Hi folks. I'll be in and out. Here's my very very favorite: Charlotte and her Web. #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly Forgot the hashtag earlier, but definitely agree with Ramona Quimby! #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @elissacruz Which are really sweet books! Funnily enough, also likened to Little Women. #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
earthwards Island of the Blue Dolphins is a timeless book to me - I could re-live that story, and it feels like it changes as I get older :) #mglitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik IMO there's no such thing as a "timeless" book. That sounds like we want it to be all things to all people, preserved forever. #mglitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Anne of Green Gables, Little House on the Prairie are classics to me... not sure if they are still popular? #mglitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @MGMafioso I don't know a kid who didn't love Charlotte's Web. #MGlitchat -7:09 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel #mglitchat and Bridge to Terabithia. Still a favourite of mine. And Mixed Up Files of.... -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik The BEST books CHANGE with time, change with our perceptions - the best books GROW with us and grow in our lives. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly @anshakotyk Me too! #MGlitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @rachelnseigel Yes, I could see that! (Hadn't thought of it myself, but true.) #MGlitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats RT @earthwards: I think timeless books = stories you want to re-live again + again. W/ characters that grow w/ you <<Yes! #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @misskubelik very well said #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik "Timeless" sounds, to me, three steps away from "Back in MY DAY, we read GOOD books that MEANT SOMETHING." Ick. #mglitchat -7:10 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat including current tech (ipad, cell phones, PCs) will date fiction very quickly. Maybe explains popularity of fantasy? -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso Though someone the other day was spoiling for a fight between Charlotte and Trumpet of the Swan #EBWhitesmackdown #MGlitchat -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @misskubelik Interesting. Sometimes I wonder if we confuse "timeless" with "classic." #MGlitchat -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tamiveldura Timeless books deal with human emotion/change. Human troubles we can relate to 100 years later, tech/gov troubles have changed. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik Yes- there is that danger. I mean it more in the context of does it stand the test of time. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
kidsmomo Love this definition of timeless! RT @smozer: Timeless books appeal to children of every generation. Ramona series is an example. #mglitchat -7:11 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats RT @misskubelik: The BEST books CHANGE with time, change w/our perceptions + GROW w/us <<So, they will be diff for everyone! IMHO #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @spacejock Good point. As tech moves faster, these elements will date a book faster. When they're minor, it shouldn't matter. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik That includes current releases as well as classics, though all classics started out new at one time. ;-) #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
ktubb RT @misskubelik: The BEST books CHANGE with time, change with our perceptions - the best books GROW with us and grow in our lives. #mglitchat -7:12 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly Is anyone familiar with The Leaves in October? I think that one is timeless/classic, though not very popular. #MGlitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @spacejock Good thought! That could be why fantasy is so popular. It is more timeless, in a way. #MGlitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @spacejock Tech does date them, and "refreshings" often don't work. Fantasy does have that timeless quality. #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse RT @kidsmomo RT @smozer: Timeless books appeal to children of every generation. <Good point.. what is the definition of timeless #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik And PLEASE remember that what's "universal" to you *isn't* universal to everyone. Think twice before you throw that in the convo. #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @LaurelSnyder: So maybe a character driven book has a greater chance of being timeless than a plot driven one? No real exp dates? #mglitchat -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tristanbancks Discussion on timeless middle-grade lit over at #mglitchat RT @AnshaKotyk HOLES is one of those timeless books. -7:13 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso Sometimes it happens, u reread a book u loved in childhood and now it's "huh, y did I love it so?" Course I can't give examples. #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tamiveldura This! RT @pattyjmchats So maybe a character driven book has a greater chance of being timeless than a plot driven one? #mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
susankayequinn RT @rachelnseigel: @spacejock Tech does date them, and "refreshings" often dont work. Fantasy does have that timeless quality. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @pattyjmchats @LaurelSnyder I think that's a big part of it. I also think it has to do with the quality of the writing. #mglitchat -7:14 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly I'm thinking of timeless as books my mom introduced me to that she loved, then I loved them, then my students loved them. #MGlitchat -7:14 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist Hey everyone I'm joining in late. What's the topic? #MGLitChat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik I'm glad YOU loved by Little House. But a book that says "the only good Indian is a dead Indian" isn't what I'd call "universal." #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tamiveldura @Jenny_Lundquist what makes a book timeless #MGLitChat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Re: Classics vs Timeless. Doesn't a classic have that wonderment that makes them timeless? #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @MGMafioso I felt that way about the SUperfriends Cartoon. ;-) Didn't realize it was so cheezy when I was little. #MGlitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling Lately I"ve been loving timeless books lately. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Timeless is classic. Doesn't always mean everyone loves it. I LOVE Anne of Green Gables, but was never a big Little House fan. #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse @pattyjmchats , if character driven makes it timeless - what do you think about "setting". A big or small part of timeless-ness #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @misskubelik True. I think multicultural books can be timeless, too. #MGlitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat I hate 'refreshings'. E.g. Just William books set in WWII era, updated with modern currency but still set in 1940's. -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Yes. Interchangeable. RT @AnshaKotyk: Re: Classics vs Timeless. Doesnt a classic have that wonderment that makes them timeless? #mglitchat -7:15 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling For me, it's about the universal emotional appeal. A 12 year old would like it and an adult. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat historical accuracy is part of the charm, not a curse to edit out of reissues. -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly Sharing favourite books is a way to keep books alivce, though I remember being force fed a few of my mom's. #MGlitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @misskubelik Dated yes. Universal themes still remain. #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KarenninaPosa Hi everyone! jumping straight in #mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer RT @librarykelly: timeless books are books my mom introduced me to that she loved, then I loved, then my students loved them. #Mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @Jenny_Lundquist Hi Jenny. Topic: timeless MG books (and how to create them). #MGlitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @MGMafioso True. I can't think of examples either. I can of TV shows! #MGlitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tamiveldura RT @librarykelly: timeless books are books my mom introduced me to that she loved, then I loved, then my students loved them. #Mglitchat -7:16 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik The Enid Blyton Books have suffered from similar problems. #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: Dictionary definition: (ADJ) not aff by passage of time or changes in fashion <<I agree that it's only part of it #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @laurapauling Agreed. Timeless to me means it crosses age barriers. #MGLitChat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso Loved LeGuin's Wizard of Earthsea when a kid. Wanted to grow up to be Ged. Still loved it 35 yrs later. (Yes, older than 35) #MGlitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling Authors come to mind too. Kate Dicamillo, Laurel Snyder #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer Another example: Fudge books by Judy Blume #Mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @laurapauling I was thinking the same thing! And Sharon Creech, Jerry Spinelli #mglitchat -7:17 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik @AnshaKotyk Sure, there are universal themes. But there's no universal way to deal or react to them. That's the difference. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Agreed, also Rebecca Stead. Kate Messner. RT @laurapauling: Authors come to mind too. Kate Dicamillo, Laurel Snyder #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @spacejock I agree with that. historical accuracy in books is just as important as the theme. It's part of cultural history. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso @smozer Love those. So do my kids! #Mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
deegarretson quick stopin-not sure how to define timeless, I know I have a few books I read over and over, I guess timeless for me #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling They don't really on gimmicks and trendy topics. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist I think Charlotte's Web is a good example. Love how the theme of life always moving on permeates the story. #MGLitChat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @spacejock: #mglitchat historical accuracy is part of the charm, not a curse to edit out of reissues. -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tristanbancks Interesting piece on timeless middle-grade lit here: http://t.co/YrhhvKJZ #MGlitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling I mean rely. #mglitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @rachelnseigel And definitely Jeanne Beardsall. #didIspellthatright? #MGlitchat -7:18 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
VonnaCarter I think Lauren Oliver's new book Leisl and Po will be timeless #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @elissacruz And Lois Lowry. #didIspellthatright #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss Birdsall ? #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik @rachelnseigel SO many books that are "classics" have. And that's a problem when we get to tossing around "timeless." Whose time? #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso @Jenny_Lundquist Yay!! Ditto and all that!! (I trumpeted Charlotte's horn earlier) #MGLitChat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer RT @tristanbancks: Interesting piece on timeless middle-grade lit here: http://t.co/eOgnB1aA #Mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KarenninaPosa Timeless = I enjoyed when I was a kid and still enjoy reading with my kids now #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
earthwards RT @tristanbancks: Interesting piece on timeless middle-grade lit here: http://t.co/Z7CwGYHm from @MixedUpFiles :) #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @WriterRoss Yep. I think that's right. I added an e in there that probably shouldn't be there. #spellingfail #MGlitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @HouseofProwse: I think time + place can date a book--but others like Ramona even set in a time are timeless bc of univ themes. #mglitchat -7:19 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @MGMafioso Ah, that's what I get for coming in late! #MGLitChat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel I was lucky! As a teacher, my mom knew what I wouldn't like. Then she turned me loose! #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder Sometimes a book stops being timeless because the world improves, and the "issues" at stake feel gratuitous. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin I like the definition of appealing across generations--books that anyone can pick up and read and enjoy. #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats Dictionary Def: Classic: judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind... #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
MGMafioso Sound of nail being hit head. RT @KarenninaPosa: Timeless = I enjoyed when I was a kid and still enjoy reading with my kids now #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik Fair point. Times were different, and are constantly changing. There is a difference of nostalgia and holds up #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @KristineAsselin I like that too. It's something to shoot for, huh? #mglitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @tristanbancks I was just going to mention that post! #thanks #lovethatsite #butIambiased #MGlitchat -7:20 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
helainebecker When I hear "timeless, I think "Penderwicks #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @laurapauling: They don't really on gimmicks and trendy topics. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling But not everyone loves every timeless book. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin RT @pattyjmchats: Dictionary Def: Classic: judged over a period of time to be the highest quality & outstanding of its kind... #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes L'Engle, Juster--kids love these fantasy novels. My kids when I share my copy of A Wrinkle in Time from when I was a kid. #Mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer Me too RT @KristineAsselin: I like the definition of appealing across generations books that anyone can pick up and read & enjoy. #Mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
   
misskubelik And when we think technology dates a book too quickly and keeps it from being "timeless", lack of technology can do the same. #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
HouseofProwse @pattyjmchats Yes, I agree that timeless and classic are two different definitions too. Now how to define appealing to all ages? #mglitchat -7:21 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes @helainebecker Penderwicks is wonderful! #Mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @KarenninaPosa: Timeless = I enjoyed when I was a kid and still enjoy reading with my kids now #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder Well, maybe it's a subjective term. Timeless to one person isn't timeless to another. Extreme examples: history/politics. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly That is lucky! Mine just really wanted to share her favourites. Didn't ever imagine I wouldn't like them. #MGlitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
misskubelik Which is to say: we should accept that books that DON'T have technology can seem dated and uninteresting to SOME kid readers. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
colbysharp Timeless for me is when my fourth graders reaf what I read: Charlotte's Web , Shiloh, Hatchet. #Mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes @HouseofProwse Compelling plots, believable characters #Mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Just like not everyone likes all current books-Cause that'd be boring. RT @laurapauling: Not everyone loves every timeless book. #mglitchat -7:22 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik We all have our childhood favourites, and goto books. It is subjective. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: So some books can be timeless classics:) (e.g. A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, Wizard of Oz, Little Woman, Pride/Prej) #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder Yeah, I think "classic" is like, "this reminds me of grandma" and timeless is like, "this will be around for my grandaughter." #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tristanbancks @elissacruz, how funny that you wrote that Timeless MG post that I mentioned. Nice to meet you. http://t.co/YrhhvKJZ #MGlitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
   
WriterRoss A voice that sounds and feels familiar, not peppered w/dated name and product name droppings. Example? SAVVY does this for me. #MGlitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling @KristineAsselin Right. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling @WriterRoss Savvy is a great example. #mglitchat -7:23 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @LaurelSnyder: Well, maybe it's a subjective term. Timeless to one person isn't timeless to another. Extreme examples: history/politics. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @LaurelSnyder Classic is a funny term, because nobody can really agree on what the timeline is 4 a classic book. 10 yrs? 20? 50? #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
laurapauling Timeless /classics end up being award winners. #mglitchat Not necessarily NY best sellers. -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tristanbancks 'Hatchet', 'My Side of the Mountain' and 'Holes' are my fave 'timeless' middle-grade reads. #MGLitChat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KarenninaPosa Interesting to see timeless books mentioned in diff genres. Wrinkle in Time, Penderwicks, Charlotte's Web. What do they share? #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz @tristanbancks Oh, I didn't write it But I run the site. ;) My good friend Mindy Alyse Weiss is the author of that article. #MGlitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk Sorry my laptop decided to restart and load windows updates... sigh. #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @WriterRoss: Yes, I do think that timelessness has a great deal to with voice e.g. Blume, Cleary, Spinelli, Creech:) #mglitchat -7:24 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat re warnings: bought our young kids a book with cute guinea pig on cover, it dies in chapter 1 and is kept in freezer. -7:41 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz So, how do you WRITE a timeless book? #shareyourtips #MGlitchat -7:41 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
helainebecker I suspect a timeless book will have the bittersweet quality of happy ending mixed with tragedy.#mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Is there a term you prefer? RT @misskubelik: I dont think that anything IS timeless. Thats my point. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
TonyNoland RT @spacejock: #mglitchat re warnings: bought our young kids a book with cute guinea pig on cover, it dies in chapter 1 and is kept in freezer. -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @deegarretson @pattyjmchats Same here. I used to have my students read a sad looking book before me and report back. #ImAWimp #MGlitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
kidsmomo @WriterRoss: For purposes of this chat, I'm conflating "timeless" and "classic." But I agree that they're not truly the same. #Mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @WriterRoss: I didn't say they were both the same...must have been someone else. I think they are different. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @misskubelik Oh, I agree with you, and so does Swinburne. But I'm also pretty sure that Lean Cuisine isn't cuisine. #branding #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @misskubelik @tristanbancks still exists. ;-) But, when u consider av. shelf life is 2 yrs, a book that hangs around is special #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Good question. I wonder if it just happens. Hard to bottle. RT @elissacruz: So, how do you WRITE a timeless book? #shareyourtips #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
goraina @spacejock D: D: D: #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
VonnaCarter @elissacruz That's the question! #MGlitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @deegarretson @pattyjmchats As a bookseller I encountered many tween girls who loved a good cry. #mglitchat -7:42 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
helainebecker RT @deegarretson: @pattyjmchats books should have kid warnings instead of parental warnings- Animal Death, Animal Lost, Friend Dies, Relative Dies #mglitchat -7:43 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk yikes!RT @spacejock: #mglitchat re warnings:bought our kids a book with cute guinea pig on cover, dies in chapter 1 and is kept in freezer. -7:43 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @pattyjmchats No I knew you didn't say that! Just used your @ name to respond somehow. {} #MGlitchat -7:43 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @spacejock Gross. Try Guinea Dog. It's cute. Probably not timeless, though. #MGlitchat -7:43 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat after that experience we stuck to timeless classics. i.e. books we'd read and enjoyed ourselves. -7:43 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @KristineAsselin @elissacruz I suspect you can't set out to write one. It's the same magic that makes toys real! #shareyourtips #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @LaurelSnyder @misskubelik I laughed so hard I snorted. #WantedYouToKnow #MGlitchat -7:44 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
dianezahler Do readers consider ENesbit timeless/classic? Or are they just too dated? (I loved them as a kid, still do) #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer RT @rachelnseigel: I suspect you cant set out to write one. Its the same magic that makes toys real! #shareyourtips #Mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: IMHO TIMELESS: no real time...CLASSIC: judged to be best over time. So some timeless can be classic...(1 of 2) #mglitchat -7:44 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
tristanbancks Are 'timeless' books a deeper dive for the author? Tapping something universal & infinite? #MGlitchat @rachelnseigel @misskubelik @spacejock -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @dianezahler Classic, but probably a bit old fashioned for modern kids. #mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @spacejock The true importance of the timeless book, avoiding dead/frozen rodents :) #mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
deegarretson @rachelnseigel I know, I have adult friends who like some books for the same reason, not me! real life has enough trauma #mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: ...but not all classics will be timeless (2 of 2) #mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly RT @AnshaKotyk: @spacejock The true importance of the timeless book, avoiding dead/frozen rodents :) #mglitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @smozer @rachelnseigel THIS. I suspect you cant set out to write one. Its the same magic that makes toys real! #shareyourtips #MGlitchat -7:45 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
dianezahler @rachelnseigel So...classic, but not timeless. #parsing #mglitchat -7:46 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk YES!! RT @tristanbancks: Are 'timeless' books a deeper dive for the author? Tapping something universal & infinite? #MGlitchat -7:46 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist Love it! RT @AnshaKotyk: @spacejock The true importance of the timeless book, avoiding dead/frozen rodents :) #MGLitChat -7:46 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @deegarretson I know what you mean! #mglitchat -7:46 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin Key. RT @librarykelly: RT @AnshaKotyk: @spacejock The true importance of the timeless book, avoiding dead/frozen rodents :) #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock #mglitchat Kids are 14 and 16 now, and have a mysterious phobia re icecream ... -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk I think tapping deeper into the emtional well when writing helps to create or can get you closer to a timeless book... #MGlitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes RT @helainebecker: I suspect a timeless book will have the bittersweet quality of happy ending mixed with tragedy.#mglitchat #Mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @rachelnseigel: I think we can try to make our writing timeless...but others will label it as classic or not. IMHO #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss Adding thoughts: As mentioned earlier, we can avoid trapping story in time by steering clear of celebs, popular titles, cliches. #MGlitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @spacejock *giggle* #mglitchat -7:47 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats RT @WriterRoss: Adding thoughts: As mentioned earlier, we can avoid trapping story in time by steering clear... <<pop culture? #mglitchat -7:48 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin RT @WriterRoss: As mentioned earlier, we can avoid trapping story in time by steering clear of celebs, popular titles, cliches. #mglitchat -7:48 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss An aside, re: rodents: I love E.B. White. He is one of the few authors I will drop my fears for to read about mice. #MGlitchat -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @KristineAsselin Creating kind of a fuzzy but real world that can "change" with the times? #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KarenninaPosa RT @pattyjmchats: I think we can try to make our writing timeless...but others will label it as classic or not. IMHO #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @dianezahler That's my HO, but then again, Brits might say they r timeless. #parsing #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock @dianezahler #mglitchat I love E Nesbit books. Don't think our youngest got through the one we bought her though. -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
dianezahler @WriterRoss Yes, tapping into what really is timeless to kids -- feelings, experiences. #mglitchat -7:49 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly Writing a book that you hope to become timeless would probably depend on theme, right? Kids will always issues with friends, 1/2 #MGlitchat -7:50 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @spacejock @dianezahler I like classics for read aloud and sharing. Language can be tough. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
smozer @WriterRoss I'm not sure traps of time matter as long as they aren't the focus of the story, just part of experience. #Mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @WriterRoss And limit cliches, text-speak, and slang. #mglitchat -7:50 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock It's like saying 'I'll invent a bestselling toy' RT: @rachelnseigel I suspect you cant set out to write one. #MGlitchat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @librarykelly So true. I read Candace Ransom's Thirteen when I was 13. And I still love it now at 35, b/c it's about fitting in #MGLitChat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly parents, new schools, boys/girls, etc. Regardless of technology, something's never change. 2/2 #MGlitchat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @WriterRoss: You should listen to Charlotte's Web on audio...E.B.W. reads it aloud. Will give you goose bumpies:) #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
goraina @smozer Right--like sometimes a time capsule story can end up being timeless. #mglitchat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly True, so Wimpy Kid- timeless, or trend? #MGlitchat -7:51 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @spacejock I love her. It makes me sad, but I think that's largely true. I wrote an intro for 5 Children & It. Biggest honor ever #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @Jenny_Lundquist: Absolutely...universal themes = can make books timeless...and in time maybe, a classic:) #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @AnshaKotyk "Fuzzy real world" made me giggle. Certain things are ALWAYS true, so focusing on those. Love, fear, jealousy... #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @pattyjmchats @WriterRoss We just finished listening to Charlotte on Audio. I love E.B.W voice. Was sad when it ended! #MGLitChat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
goraina @KristineAsselin I worry that text-speak is here to stay. (Hope I'm wrong!) #mglitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss When I was a kid, had you told me WRINKLE/TIME was fantasy, I would have run 4 hills. But I read, fell in love with Meg. Forever. #MGlitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @Jenny_Lundquist Exactly. #MGlitchat -7:52 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @goraina LOL. :) #mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @goraina Yes, but it'll evolve, and the specifics will date. It's like computer and phone styles. Changing FAST #mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes @WriterRoss What about Avi? He has a way with rodents as does does Cynthia voight #Mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @Jenny_Lundquist: Listen to his TRUMPET OF THE SWANS, too...I plan on buying both. LOVE THEM:) #mglitchat -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @goraina @KristineAsselin #mglitchat I don't see i tlasting. Something else will take its place though. -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @goraina: @KristineAsselin I heard that with the advent of smartphones, text speak is going away. #MGLitChat -7:53 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz I am curious to see what the tech kids of today will think are timeless books when they are grown. #willtheybethesame? #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @pattyjmchats Will do. We commute to school in the morning and listen to audiobooks every day #MGLitChat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @pattyjmchats Will look for.. good idea. #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @WriterRoss LOVE Wrinkle in Time. Made me fall in love w/ fantasy. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
goraina @LaurelSnyder True! Even books a couple years old can be dated by tech specifics. #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel That's a tough one. I'm going to go with timeless. Although I don't want to...but I don't know why :-/ #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
deegarretson @rachelnseigel I think trend #mglitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @booksandbytes It's just me. Rodents, as a rule, are not timeless. They terrify me. Even on covers! #MGlitchat -7:54 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly And I go with trend- they're funny and relateable, but just don't see them staying 4ever. #MGlitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @Jenny_Lundquist: Just finished Tomie de Paola's Fairmont Street chap book read by TDP. Interview at end is a must-listen, too! #mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
deegarretson @WriterRoss what about Redwall? Some nice rodents there. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
dianezahler @WriterRoss There's a nice rat in Cricket in Times Square, isn't there? #mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
spacejock @LaurelSnyder re intro, wow that must have been great! I discovered the Bastable books when I was 14 or 15. #mglitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @goraina @kristineasselin OMG! I hope UR so wrong. I'm just kidding. I really hate those acronyms, unless on Twitter and limited. #MGlitchat -7:55 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @KristineAsselin I never followed that path past WRINKLE. Altho.. hold on. Has anyone read Lindgren's MIO, MY SON? I was obsessed #MGlitchat -7:56 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes @rachelnseigel @librarykelly I agree with trend but their themes and storylines do resonate with kids #Mglitchat -7:56 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @pattyjmchats Awesome. Will add to list. Want to get a hold of Best Halloween Ever and Best Christmas Pageant Ever. #MGLitChat -7:56 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
dianezahler @WriterRoss Wow, I hadn't thought of that book in decades. Loved it. #mglitchat -7:56 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel @goraina @kristineasselin Blinking in Morse Code? #didIspellthatright #MGlitchat -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist @pattyjmchats I just love those Herdman (sp?) kids. And the narrator is great. #MGLitChat -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
michaelascotto Sad I missed #MGlitchat ...enjoying catching up on the timeline though -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
KristineAsselin @WriterRoss No, but I LOVED Peter Beagle's THE LAST UNICORN. The only quote on my blog is from that book. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
glennamaria RT @misskubelik: The BEST books CHANGE with time, change with our perceptions - the best books GROW with us and grow in our lives. #mglitchat -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss Cracking up about rodent suggestions.Thank you. But.. Can't Change Old Habits. (Though I know rodents make timeless characters.) #MGlitchat -7:57 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly @goraina @kristineasselin Lol! Maybe we telepathically transmit thru computers! The horror! #didIspellthatright #MGlitchat -7:58 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
LaurelSnyder @spacejock I loved them. & I think young kids could love them now. But you'd need to read TO them. Before they get to fast stuff. #mglitchat -7:58 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @booksandbytes: I think writing stories that resonate with kids/parents' hearts = all of our #1 goal as writers, yes? #mglitchat -7:58 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel I think the staying power there will be passing down within families, etc. Kids will soon balk at illustrations. #MGlitchat -7:58 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
AnshaKotyk @pattyjmchats absolutely... creating the book that resonates. #1 #mglitchat -7:59 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
Jenny_Lundquist All right everyone, thanks for the chat. Off to do story time with my kids... #MGLitChat -7:59 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @WriterRoss: So...you didn't read Tale of D by Kate D? #mglitchat -7:59 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
elissacruz It's been a lovely hour, folks. I'm now off to create a timeless book that will be a classic in 10 years. #yeahright G'night! #MGlitchat -7:59 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
booksandbytes @pattyjmchats Agreed! And it's what we look for as readers--that's the hook #Mglitchat -7:59 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
librarykelly @rachelnseigel @goraina @kristineasselin That's a good one! #MGlitchat -8:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel @librarykelly I always look at these special collector editions of books like Twilgiht and wonder who they're 4. #MGlitchat -8:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
WriterRoss @pattyjmchats Don't yell. No. {} #MGlitchat -8:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @Jenny_Lundquist: Will have to listen to that one! Thx. Roald Dahl reads many of books...and sooooooooooo well:) #mglitchat -8:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
goraina @elissacruz Now THAT is a call to adventure. :) #mglitchat -8:00 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
deegarretson must go/unrelated to this-I interviewed 47 4th-6th graders on reading/types of books they liked, will crunch no. & post next week #mglitchat -8:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
pattyjmchats @WriterRoss: I'm sorry. I don't know what you're saying. No one is yelling here. #mglitchat -8:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011
  
rachelnseigel #Mglitchat This hour has flown by. Officially thanks to everyone 4 participating. Unofficially, we can chat as long as anyone would like. : -8:01 PM Oct 13th, 2011

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